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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    The Ebola virus replicates itself differently in every victim, increasing the chance of mutation in each case. The reserachers at Resten were very lucky this strain didn't affect humans [even though they tested positive]

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    BTW: which are you, a doctor or a scientist?
    I'm both a doctor and a scientist, with considerable experience in infectious disease.

    I agree with Lursa. Panic is unwarranted, and the hyped up media 'concern' is exaggerated.
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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Your interpretation means little. There is scientific consensus on this at this time....possible but not likely. I also watched the hearings. I saw at least 3 doctors reiterate this.
    This doctor has been in the field is is not nearly as sure of your assumptions or the arm-chair doctors in this country.

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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Especially since the reporter flat out ask the doctor from the CDC if the man was a citizen of this country and he dodged it. Might make someone be suspicious of his family member's citizenship.
    How many people escaped to come here?

    Here's info on the Resten VA> incident.

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    That was one of the most interesting documents I have ever read! It's amazing to me that a research facility like that is so close to DC, though. It seems for diseases like Ebola, an unoccupied island far from land would be chosen. There wasn't any mention of anything that would have indicated that a vaccine was being developed in the time periods talked about, and that is also interesting. I have to think that would have been a priority, especially since some humans working at the Reston facility did get the Ebola virus, so I have to further assume that a possible vaccine was being worked on. Puzzling..

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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    That was one of the most interesting documents I have ever read! It's amazing to me that a research facility like that is so close to DC, though. It seems for diseases like Ebola, an unoccupied island far from land would be chosen. There wasn't any mention of anything that would have indicated that a vaccine was being developed in the time periods talked about, and that is also interesting. I have to think that would have been a priority, especially since some humans working at the Reston facility did get the Ebola virus, so I have to further assume that a possible vaccine was being worked on. Puzzling..
    Reston is an Army facility and you dont even want to know what else is going on there. They are not only researching 'known' diseases.

    But they have Class 4 containment facilities there which should contain anything....as long as it stays in there. I forget if they were working on the monkeys in that containment level. Not to mention that working with animals is dangerous....humans tend to cooperate.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Ebola doesnt replicate any differently than other filo viruses. And please post some source that says that.

    And I study epidemiology...as a layperson with a backgound in microbiology.
    DR. Lisa A. Beltz in the book Emerging Infectious Diseases. states, “On several subsequent occasions during 1989, 1990 and 1996, Ebola Reston killed monkeys in colonies in the United States.”

    “Some of the people at the colony in Texas and several of the workers at the facility in the Philippines also produced antibodies to the virus but did not become ill.”

    The 1989 incident validates concerns that a new, airborne strain of Ebola could infect humans, and if such a mutated strain already exists, it would easily explain why Ebola is currently spreading so rapidly in Africa.

    "For one thing, because Ebola doesn’t replicate itself perfectly every time it infects a victim, each new infection represents a potential mutation of the disease."

    There is no consensus on Ebola.
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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    From a Canadian study to see if Ebola can be transmitted through the air. (from pigs to non-human primates)

    Transmission of Ebola virus from pigs to non-human primates : Scientific Reports : Nature Publishing Group
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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    DR. Lisa A. Beltz in the book Emerging Infectious Diseases. states, “On several subsequent occasions during 1989, 1990 and 1996, Ebola Reston killed monkeys in colonies in the United States.”

    “Some of the people at the colony in Texas and several of the workers at the facility in the Philippines also produced antibodies to the virus but did not become ill.”

    The 1989 incident validates concerns that a new, airborne strain of Ebola could infect humans, and if such a mutated strain already exists, it would easily explain why Ebola is currently spreading so rapidly in Africa.

    "For one thing, because Ebola doesn’t replicate itself perfectly every time it infects a victim, each new infection represents a potential mutation of the disease."

    There is no consensus on Ebola.
    That's no different than any other disease and yes, each new infection presents that opportunity to any microbe. That's why increases in numbers are of concern.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    From a Canadian study to see if Ebola can be transmitted through the air. (from pigs to non-human primates)

    Transmission of Ebola virus from pigs to non-human primates : Scientific Reports : Nature Publishing Group
    And?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I didn't compare the two at all. Just stated that our government lacked the will to isolate and quarantine, and used TB as an example.



    Now, look up "pedantic".



    Wow. You couldn't be more wrong. It's been a "disease of the west" since WWII.



    Yeah, among those living under a rock maybe. Ebola has very high name recognition and that's not a recent thing.



    It seems YOU are just now cluing in to ebola and so you believe everyone else must be just as uninformed. It's not so. And again, I didn't compare AIDS to ebola, I used it as an example of treatment and government plans.
    Yes I do know what pedantic means. I also know what epidemic and pandemic mean.

    Malaria does not ravage western nations and cause death on the scale it does in endemic zones. Do wake up. If anopheles mosquitoes were spreading it merrily around New York City or London, then you'd see some serious research money pumped into it.

    I first heard of Ebola along with the other viral haemorrhagic fevers as a medical student back in the 1980s, so no, I am not "just now clung in" as you claim. I wonder what background your information and ideas come from?

    You do indeed make comparisons, which I pedantically dispute.

    We'll agree to differ as a circular argument won't interest anybody else.

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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    There's too much alarmist nonsense. Rates of transmission and mortality are so bad in these West African countries primarily for two reasons. First because, frankly, they have very poor hygiene. These are places where something as simple as soap is a luxury for most people. Second because they have practically no medical infrastructure either in terms of facilities or professionals (doctors and nurses) and very little medical expertise to identify and handle highly infectious/contagious disease among the real doctors and nurses they do have. The mortality and transmission rates we are seeing are not indicative of the virus itself but of the environment in which it is propagating.

    We in the West should have no more fear of Ebola than of the common flu and in fact probably less so. We have the infrastructure, expertise, and hygienic practices to prevent such an epidemic from occurring as well as provide for a far lower mortality rate (so far the score is 0 fatalities for 3 patients). We see about 36,000 deaths in the United States per year for the flu. The CDC estimates that, at most, 20% of the U.S. population becomes infected with the flu virus every year (about 63.6 million people). That comes out to a mortality rate of .05%. If 63 million cases of influenza every year with a mortality rate of 0.05% doesn't scare people into thinking of grounding flights and quarantining people then I don't see why 3 cases of Ebola with a mortality rate of 0% should.

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