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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, WCH.

    I read somewhere that Ebola could be within two mutations of becoming an airborne problem. Since there is currently no cure - at least I haven't read that there is - and considering that it takes 21 days to start showing symptons - could it mean that anything that would normally draw large crowds, like sporting events or even the midterm elections coming up in a few weeks will be cancelled? I wonder.....
    This can happen just as easily, if not more easily, with other diseases, like the flu. Most people still survive Ebola, esp if they are healthy to begin with which isnt always the case in Africa.

    That said, I'd much rather get the flu than Ebola....Ebola is very painful and horrible. There can be residual health issues for life.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by dogtowner View Post
    How about 1+m dead impotent government intervention
    In any serious epidemic....the govt will fail to contain it and to prevent widespread infrastructure collapses, rioting, and loss of life due to more than just the disease.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    In two cases ( in North America) it has become airborte. GOOGLE EBOLA MONKEY ACCIDENT


    But how convenient if the elections were to be postponed.
    Since everything happening lately seems to be based on strictly political reasons, it would not surprise anyone. Ebola has been a problem in parts of Africa for quite some time now - odd that it would choose to jump from half way around the world and make an appearance here at this time in Texas of all places! Possible, but still strangely coincidental ....

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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Since everything happening lately seems to be based on strictly political reasons, it would not surprise anyone. Ebola has been a problem in parts of Africa for quite some time now - odd that it would choose to jump from half way around the world and make an appearance here at this time in Texas of all places! Possible, but still strangely coincidental ....
    No it's not strange.

    Ebola has not made many 'appearances' in Africa since it's initial outbreak in the '70's. It was sporadic outbreaks, not that big. However it found a population that it could exploit and spread...this is what diseases do. It just reached proportions now so that we cannot (not that we ever attempted to) control peoples' movements globally. The odds just went up that an infected person would get on a plane. It's statistics, not conspiracy.

    BTW, IMO no administration would orchestrate an epidemic in the US....it would do massive harm to the economy. The minute people are afraid, they stay home....they dont go spend their money. They dont go to their jobs, and they dont go vote.
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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by Urethra Franklin View Post
    Sorry but I find these to be extremely poor analogies.

    In most countries people with active, open TB are hospitalised and looked after in respiratory isolation until they've had several days of anti-TB therapy and are no longer infectious. That's a reasonable measure and the vast majority of hospitalised TB patients don't pass on their infection to others. No panic. In many places it's mandatory for health care workers to have had the BCG vaccine (against TB). TB cannot be compared to Ebola.

    And neither can AIDS. AIDS is a pandemic, not an epidemic. Quarantine would have been and still is totally unnecessary as to limit its spread you limit at risk behaviours, that's all. Without HIV testing the whole world you wouldn't know who to quarantine anyway. What was missing in the early days was education and adequate access to counselling, testing, condoms, needle exchange etc. As somebody else has pointed out, society didn't really care if it was only gays and drug addicts dropping dead. And a few Haitians? Well they're black, and poor, and not going to enrich the pharmaceutical industry particularly, and there perhaps we have the reason why we've to date not seen massive funds put into researching diseases like Ebola, Malaria etc.

    Ebola is not new. But we've waited until we we perceive a potential threat to ourselves to get upset about it. Funny that.
    There are several types of TB, some never stop being infectious. Some strains become infectious again the moment the infected get weak, or stop taking their medication. We used to isolate those folks, we don't have the will for it anymore. And I suggest you look up the words pandemic and epidemic. There is no such distinction.

    So much of your post gets it wrong. We have indeed researched the heck out of malaria and the only reason we haven't done so with ebola is the way it begins and then burns out. Makes it bloody hard to find the vector. And we've always been concerned about it. It's the #1 disease named when you ask folks about a bio-apocalypse.

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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    No it's not strange.

    Ebola has not made many 'appearances' in Africa since it's initial outbreak in the '70's. It was sporadic outbreaks, not that big. However it found a population that it could exploit and spread...this is what diseases do. It just reached proportions now so that we cannot (not that we ever attempted to) control peoples' movements globally. The odds just went up that an infected person would get on a plane. It's statistics, not conspiracy.

    BTW, IMO no administration would orchestrate an epidemic in the US....it would do massive harm to the economy. The minute people are afraid, they stay home....they dont go spend their money. They dont go to their jobs, and they dont go vote.
    : And we could also add the fact that many businesses like grocery stores might close down temporarily in an attempt at self defense to protect themselves and their families. Many people I know are already stocking up, "just in case." Have you read anything about what Europe is doing? They are closer to Africa than we are, and there appears to be many Africans emigrating to Europe - has Ebola made an appearance there, and/or could it become an unwanted problem for them, too? It certainly seems possible.

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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    You cant be for real.
    *Pinches* self, yep.. real as I feel.
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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    There are several types of TB, some never stop being infectious. Some strains become infectious again the moment the infected get weak, or stop taking their medication. We used to isolate those folks, we don't have the will for it anymore. .
    Yes, we could get into the many different types of TB: bovine, MDR etc. etc. not to mention that TB is not always pulmonary and not always infectious, but in very general terms, what I have outlined is what happens. I don't accept your comparison to Ebola.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And I suggest you look up the words pandemic and epidemic. There is no such distinction. .
    I'm being pedantic, but I stand by the distinction.


    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    We have indeed researched the heck out of malaria .
    We have done far less than we would have done were it a disease of the west.

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    and the only reason we haven't done so with ebola is the way it begins and then burns out. Makes it bloody hard to find the vector. And we've always been concerned about it..
    Come off it. Most people now panicking hadn't even HEARD of Ebola until recently.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    It's the #1 disease named when you ask folks about a bio-apocalypse.
    See above, media exposure and manipulation. A few years back we were all going to die of SARS. And bird flu. And pig flu.
    You conveniently ignore the points about the way AIDS is spread which similarly cannot be compared to Ebola in the way you do so.
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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : And we could also add the fact that many businesses like grocery stores might close down temporarily in an attempt at self defense to protect themselves and their families. Many people I know are already stocking up, "just in case." Have you read anything about what Europe is doing? They are closer to Africa than we are, and there appears to be many Africans emigrating to Europe - has Ebola made an appearance there, and/or could it become an unwanted problem for them, too? It certainly seems possible.
    No I havent read anything about Europe and yes, the potential exists for it to arrive there too. If they do find it there, I dont believe that they will hide it from the media. It's a good question tho.

    OTOH I have been reading post-apocalyptic fiction for 40 years and have a very good idea of what can happen. My favorite book is The Stand by Stephen King and it started my fascination with epidemiology, which I also started studying (as a layman) after loving microbiology in college.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by Urethra Franklin View Post
    Yes, we could get into the many different types of TB: bovine, MDR etc. etc. not to mention that TB is not always pulmonary and not always infectious, but in very general terms, what I have outlined is what happens. I don't accept your comparison to Ebola.
    I didn't compare the two at all. Just stated that our government lacked the will to isolate and quarantine, and used TB as an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by Urethra Franklin View Post
    I'm being pedantic, but I stand by the distinction.
    Now, look up "pedantic".

    Quote Originally Posted by Urethra Franklin View Post
    We have done far less than we would have done were it a disease of the west.
    Wow. You couldn't be more wrong. It's been a "disease of the west" since WWII.

    Quote Originally Posted by Urethra Franklin View Post
    Come off it. Most people now panicking hadn't even HEARD of Ebola until recently.
    Yeah, among those living under a rock maybe. Ebola has very high name recognition and that's not a recent thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Urethra Franklin View Post
    See above, media exposure and manipulation. A few years back we were all going to die of SARS. And bird flu. And pig flu.
    You conveniently ignore the points about the way AIDS is spread which similarly cannot be compared to Ebola in the way you do so.
    It seems YOU are just now cluing in to ebola and so you believe everyone else must be just as uninformed. It's not so. And again, I didn't compare AIDS to ebola, I used it as an example of treatment and government plans.

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