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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    ???? Seriously? What do you think the govt's plans consist of? At nearly every community and state and the fed level.

    Quarantine and ALL the removal of rights that that entails including martial law and shooting people that break quarantine. It will be incredibly ugly and it wont even work in a wide-spread airborne epidemic but that doesnt mean that those arent the plans and they'll still attempt it before failing.
    We don't even quarantine infectious TB anymore. I still believe we could have stopped, or at least significantly reduced the AIDS epidemic here if we had quarantined in the very beginning when we first became aware. And good luck with getting people to follow the government's plans in this sort of situation.

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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    We don't even quarantine infectious TB anymore. I still believe we could have stopped, or at least significantly reduced the AIDS epidemic here if we had quarantined in the very beginning when we first became aware. And good luck with getting people to follow the government's plans in this sort of situation.
    What does that have to do with anything?

    The outcry will be incredible. AIDS was not perceived as a threat to 'good people.' Just gays and addicts. It wasnt airborne. The civil rights outrage would have been nuts.

    It will be incredibly terrible in a truly dangerous epidemic. The govt will try...and fail...but it will be a nightmare. Of course people wont follow govt plans. When things get tough, they'll panic. Troops will end up killing people, neighbors will end up killing people, troops will abandon their posts and go home, so will cops, etc.

    But denying it doesnt mean this isnt the case.
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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    What does that have to do with anything?

    The outcry will be incredible. AIDS was not perceived as a threat to 'good people.' Just gays and addicts. It wasnt airborne. The civil rights outrage would have been nuts.

    It will be incredibly terrible in a truly dangerous epidemic. The govt will try...and fail...but it will be a nightmare. Of course people wont follow govt plans. When things get tough, they'll panic. Troops will end up killing people, neighbors will end up killing people, troops will abandon their posts and go home, so will cops, etc.

    But denying it doesnt mean this isnt the case.
    That's interesting, you're just restating what I said would happen and yet somehow disagree with me? Weird.

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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    Assuming the virus does not change its route of transmission, any outbreak will be minimal in western countries.

    This virus needs to be spread by blood and fluid contact, similar to HIV. But people are not reserviors of this virus like HIV, and if you make it thru, you are immune, much like a flu. Western medicine, with use of gloves, gowns and santitation and disposable sharps make this a non issue.

    Unless, of course, a mutation allows it to spread via air or contact via hand surfaces. Then we're talking a big mess.
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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's interesting, you're just restating what I said would happen and yet somehow disagree with me? Weird.
    No, I did not reiterate this:

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    We don't even quarantine infectious TB anymore. I still believe we could have stopped, or at least significantly reduced the AIDS epidemic here if we had quarantined in the very beginning when we first became aware. And good luck with getting people to follow the government's plans in this sort of situation.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    How on Earth should I know?

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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    No, I did not reiterate this:
    Actually you did reiterate that last point (the rest you didn't even comment upon):

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy

    We don't even quarantine infectious TB anymore. I still believe we could have stopped, or at least significantly reduced the AIDS epidemic here if we had quarantined in the very beginning when we first became aware. And good luck with getting people to follow the government's plans in this sort of situation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa
    It will be incredibly terrible in a truly dangerous epidemic. The govt will try...and fail...but it will be a nightmare. Of course people wont follow govt plans. When things get tough, they'll panic. Troops will end up killing people, neighbors will end up killing people, troops will abandon their posts and go home, so will cops, etc.
    Last edited by clownboy; 09-29-14 at 03:20 PM.

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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Actually you did reiterate that last point (the rest you didn't even comment upon):
    Yes, I responded to why your comparisons to TB etc were not representative of what is actually planned in a serious infectious epidemic

    And you dismissed the quarantine saying people wouldnt cooperate. Implying that the govt wouldnt bother since that would be the outcome. If I read that implication incorrectly, I apologize but in general your entire response minimized and dismissed the true nature of what the govt plans and it's outcome.

    That was certainly not the tone or perspective in my response.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: What happens if the ebola outbreak from West Africa spreads in the West?

    I started this thread several months ago regarding the spread while it was still in Africa.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/off-to...t-borders.html

    Now it's here.
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