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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You're ignoring half of the reason people fought in the past. It wasn't just inequality that was the problem but that people expected other people to solve their problems. Feeding into the mindset that other people are to blame for your problems is exactly what you policies to do. In order to challenge past events you need to challenge the mindset behind them and you are doing very much the opposite.
    I'm so sad that world history was something you were shielded from. I guess you were taught that the Jacobin's hired others to man the guillotines.



    In order to challenge wage inequality you have to change how people treat the market and the relationship between capital and labor. Again, your polices are not doing that, but simply moving wealth around by force and empowering the idea that government is there to solve all your problems.
    And now you suddenly switch back to an anarchist solution where the poor are going to control capital without government. You can't show how this applies to the current situation, so it is just mental masturbation.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I'm so sad that world history was something you were shielded from. I guess you were taught that the Jacobin's hired others to man the guillotines.
    I would imagine you're referring to the french revolution, right? If so, then everything I said is right on the mark.

    And now you suddenly switch back to an anarchist solution where the poor are going to control capital without government. You can't show how this applies to the current situation, so it is just mental masturbation.
    I didn't switch back to anything. The problem everyone is really talking about is the relationship between capital and labor and the consequences of what happens when the relationship between them is poor.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    You are definitely not on this planet.
    Quote Originally Posted by GBFAN View Post
    That's not even remotely accurate ... every businessman recognizes that he is at the mercy of collective bargaining.
    LOL! Of course! We are in the midst of a sellers market, where workers are in short supply and are commanding high wages!

    Better yet, union membership is pushing wages to all time highs....I tell yah!!!


    You don't see strikes for one simple reason ... most laborers realize that they are at the top of their value, and if they raise a ruckus, the company will simply take the business someplace else.
    OMG! It is true! Labor has such a complete control of their market that unemployment is at ZERO PERCENT and threatens to go NEGATIVE!



    As for the 'anti-union' pitch ... the truth is that, with the exception of wage increases, most union demands have been codified into law. When you couple that with the 'right to work' laws (which are a direct result of chipping away at union influence in the government)
    Seriously....did you just say in the same sentence "union demands codified into law" and "right to work"? RTW is a union busting method applied primarily for countering union organization in PRIVATE work sites, where those who pay no dues still enjoy union gains. It is the OPPOSITE of codifying union demands.
    ... unions serve no practical purpose if they aren't pushing for increased wages.
    WTF? The most important feature of a union is to cause higher wages for its members......and then to provide support during a strike, to cause a decent pension, to cause higher prevailing wages for non members...on and on.

    Increases in globalization are a direct result of two primary elements - cost of labor and tax costs. If you raise the cost of labor, you force the company to seek offshore labor in order to remain globally competitive. Our economy is no longer a closed loop.
    Globalization was caused by containerization and the unwillingness to protect US jobs.

    Workers did, in fact, decide to remove themselves from negotiations, etc. Laborers have about reached their ceiling .... their technical expertise and their work ethic is available anywhere.
    There is nothing like projection, it reveals so much about an individual. Where do you find US workers having so little pride in their work?
    Laborers viscerally recognize that there is a hierarchy of contribution to the product, and a commensurate hierarchy of wages.
    By all means, show us where this manifests itself.
    Frankly, American labor is no longer the only game in town.
    It is really amazing to read a conservative, one who served this country, who is still supported by tax dollars from American workers, have so little regard for them.
    Last edited by Gimmesometruth; 10-02-14 at 03:49 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by GBFAN View Post
    Just how many times in history do we have to prove that a socialist model just won't endure? "From those according to their abilities, to those according to their needs." is a failed approach. Why do we think we can be successful this time, when it has failed so miserably so many other times? The definition of insanity ....and all that.
    Again, the headstanding!

    When I say I want to decrease the chance of civil unrest, to not have a revolution, to decrease inequality......I suddenly become a communist.

    Amazing.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    "I can't debate my way out of a paper bag, but I sure know how to troll".
    AWWW..the poor envious and jealous Liberal is angry. "Trool?" In never ends with the low info Liberals.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    In (sic) never ends with the low info Liberals.
    Indeed.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    -2 spelling for me.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Without exploitation, there can be no capitalism.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    No, I don't have a problem understanding that theory. I already explained that theory to you. Then I laid out for you how the stats show that things aren't actually playing out as the theory would predict. So, I am asking what we can do to get things to work as the theory would predict again like they used to. Do you have any thoughts on that or no?



    You know, I always get the sense that all these arguments conservatives try to come up with are really just masking a deep seated desire to obey. Some sort of instinct left over from an earlier time or something where they are desperate to display submissiveness to the biggest master in their tribe or something, like dogs do. I guess you are just flat out admitting that?

    Anyways, it isn't rational, it is just some kind of misplaced emotional impulse that you have. The stuff you said about the free market and competition, that stuff makes sense, not this shameful "you have no right to question the master" blathering. Have some dignity man.
    When things don't play out, don't always blame the theory but the players. The problem is too many people today feel they are entitled to something rather than the way people used to operate. It used to be that people took it upon themselves to better themselves. Now, they want someone else to make it easier to do it. In both situations, the theory hasn't changed, the people have. As far as changing that, you don't change the theory because people don't do it that way they should. They can either do what is expected or suffer the consequences.

    That I have taken it upon myself to do what I expect of others when it comes to bettering myself, your thoughts about a deep seated desire to obey are absolutely false. You're the one that says things need to change when it's the attitudes of people that need to change. Seems you're admitting that you would rather have someone do it for you than get off your butt and do it yourself. I won't ask it as a question because I already know. You should have some dignity and do for yourself.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    I said $350k in after-expenses revenue- meaning you've already paid off the taxes and the manager and you still have $350k left. Yes, if the owner just keeps $295 for themselves and gives the employee $55k, they are totally ripping the employee off. That isn't just my opinion, that is not supposed to even be possible in a free market, as I explained. That is one of the main reasons we opt to have a capitalist system.

    on this site being specific helps

    so this is net income (after taxes)

    and again, i ask the question

    what percentage of profits is the employee due according to you

    15% apparently isnt enough.....what would be
    “Most of the shadows of this life are caused by standing in one's own sunshine.”

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