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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Yes, my argument....is all about "envy".




    dust yourself off.
    Except what actually happens is your provide those that desire to be violent another way to justify it. What actually needs to happen is people need to stop feeding the mindset that people owe them anything in life and disarm that mindset down at it's root cause.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    In case you missed it...
    Nice try ... but no goal.

    I didn't say that labor was stagnant ... you said wages were stagnant, and I said that was because labor chose it to be that way.

    Don't try to twist words ... stay on the subject.
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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    Your theory just doesn't align to reality at all. In reality, far more of the population is working, and they are working far more hours, than in the 1960s. In those days, usually only 1 member of a household worked and they generally only worked 40 hours a week. Now 2 members of the typical household work and they work more like 50+ hours a week. So, the theory that requiring benefits and whatnot is bad because it causes employers to cut the amount they expect people to work doesn't seem to hold water at all.
    Man, you need to get a job ... or an eraser.

    You are trying to make it black and white ... since more people are working (your words) more hours (your words), that proves that requiring benefits (and, by extension, raising taxes) doesn't adversely affect the economy??? You really believe that? Seriously?? You need to take a macroeconomics course ... or one in logic.

    Doesn't it seem perfectly logical that if you take $1,000 away from my company, that I have $1,000 less to hire people, expand, or do R&D? Let's think about that for a minute ...

    Why do I provide benefits to my employees? Not because I have to (though, in some cases, the government has seen fit to inject itself into my corporate management structure) ... I provide them because my benefits package is an enticement to get the best employees available. Because I have attracted the best employees, my company is much more efficient, successful and profitable. I am getting a direct return on my investment.

    If business has to provide that same benefit package to all employees in all companies, that incentive is lost, and I get nothing in return for my investment. You are now asking me to subsidize the sub-standard, and under-performing, employees. Another incentive for quality worker performance is negated by the government - everybody gets treated equally. You, on the other hand, are an A-1, upstanding, outstanding, outproducing employee. What's your reward for working so hard? Oh yeah ... nothing. Nothing other than watching those around you get the same you get despite the fact that they are producing half what you do.

    It just doesn't make sense ... you're about two steps from the same wages (and benefits) for everybody regardless of their contribution. THAT is scary stuff ...
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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Yes, my argument....is all about "envy".




    dust yourself off.
    I love dusting the Liberal lemmings on here. They sure are a cute bunch, not educated but cute.
    Last edited by Lakeside; 10-02-14 at 01:49 AM.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by GBFAN View Post
    Nice try ... but no goal.

    I didn't say that labor was stagnant ... you said wages were stagnant, and I said that was because labor chose it to be that way.

    Don't try to twist words ... stay on the subject.
    Labor chose for wages to be stagnate?

    That makes even less sense.
    Workers decided that they did not want increases in min wage, they chose not to have influence in negotiations, they chose to have increases in globalization?

    If one argues that "they could have unions", we know that the efforts of corporations to influence legislative actions have decimated union activity along with the near constant anti-union propaganda. Since most blue collars vote conservative, there is a built in follow the authoritarian mindset that causes many to go against their own self interests. But the rest, min wage and globalization, workers were not doing the "choosing".
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    I love dusting the Liberal lemmings on here. They sure are a cute bunch, not educated but cute.
    "I can't debate my way out of a paper bag, but I sure know how to troll".
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Except what actually happens is your provide those that desire to be violent another way to justify it.
    WTH? How does my stating that inequality causes civil unrest provide "another way" to justify violence? It is the same old "way", it is nothing new. I'm arguing for the decline in inequality so that the old cause of unrest does not re-appear.

    What actually needs to happen is people need to stop feeding the mindset that people owe them anything in life and disarm that mindset down at it's root cause.
    ???

    We need to end the idea that wage inequality is a bad thing? The concept that sharing the wealth when all are causing greater profits is a bad thing?

    Again, your Randian anti-society ideology pokes its head out.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    WTH? How does my stating that inequality causes civil unrest provide "another way" to justify violence? It is the same old "way", it is nothing new. I'm arguing for the decline in inequality so that the old cause of unrest does not re-appear.
    You're ignoring half of the reason people fought in the past. It wasn't just inequality that was the problem but that people expected other people to solve their problems. Feeding into the mindset that other people are to blame for your problems is exactly what your policies do. In order to challenge past events you need to challenge the mindset behind them and you are doing very much the opposite.

    ???

    We need to end the idea that wage inequality is a bad thing? The concept that sharing the wealth when all are causing greater profits is a bad thing?

    Again, your Randian anti-society ideology pokes its head out.
    In order to challenge wage inequality you have to change how people treat the market and the relationship between capital and labor. Again, your polices are not doing that, but simply moving wealth around by force and empowering the idea that government is there to solve all your problems.

    What is really going on is a social problem and not one merely of wealth. Wealth inequality is merely the consequence of a much larger and harder to solve problem. A problem that we need to be focused on, but no one really is. Instead they are interested in throwing around the blame and forcing other people to give up what they earned. You are really solving nothing.
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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Labor chose for wages to be stagnate?

    That makes even less sense.
    Workers decided that they did not want increases in min wage, they chose not to have influence in negotiations, they chose to have increases in globalization?

    If one argues that "they could have unions", we know that the efforts of corporations to influence legislative actions have decimated union activity along with the near constant anti-union propaganda. Since most blue collars vote conservative, there is a built in follow the authoritarian mindset that causes many to go against their own self interests. But the rest, min wage and globalization, workers were not doing the "choosing".
    That's not even remotely accurate ... every businessman recognizes that he is at the mercy of collective bargaining. You don't see strikes for one simple reason ... most laborers realize that they are at the top of their value, and if they raise a ruckus, the company will simply take the business someplace else. As for the 'anti-union' pitch ... the truth is that, with the exception of wage increases, most union demands have been codified into law. When you couple that with the 'right to work' laws (which are a direct result of chipping away at union influence in the government) ... unions serve no practical purpose if they aren't pushing for increased wages. Increases in globalization are a direct result of two primary elements - cost of labor and tax costs. If you raise the cost of labor, you force the company to seek offshore labor in order to remain globally competitive. Our economy is no longer a closed loop.

    Workers did, in fact, decide to remove themselves from negotiations, etc. Laborers have about reached their ceiling .... their technical expertise and their work ethic is available anywhere. Laborers viscerally recognize that there is a hierarchy of contribution to the product, and a commensurate hierarchy of wages. Frankly, American labor is no longer the only game in town.
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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    We need to end the idea that wage inequality is a bad thing? The concept that sharing the wealth when all are causing greater profits is a bad thing?
    Just how many times in history do we have to prove that a socialist model just won't endure? "From those according to their abilities, to those according to their needs." is a failed approach. Why do we think we can be successful this time, when it has failed so miserably so many other times? The definition of insanity ....and all that.
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