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    Re: Income Inequality

    You are so full of it.

    1). Last graph Atlantic rag as a source so you did lie.
    2). Second to last graph unsourced so I'll assume you made it up and it's worthless.
    3). Third to last graph speaks of income not wealth, and simply because it fits your DNC talking point.

    And what a completely moronic statement to say the poor of today are some how mysteriously worse off then 90 years ago. You a joke and making crap up might stink but it won't stick.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Like "idea"?!?

    Actually, the first graph is Piketty/Saez and the last one is just income data collected by the NYT
    I have not posted any lies, nor have you shown they are. False, in real terms the lowest quintile has lost wealth and has lower wages. Um, again, the data shows the average incomes for individuals in the top 1%, 0.1% and the 0.01%.You are not relying on facts, you are relying on falsehoods and rhetoric.

    EDIT: Upon further review, the data for the last graph is from the Paris School of Economics, ie Piketty et al.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    You are so full of it.

    1). Last graph Atlantic rag as a source so you did lie.
    Um, the Atlantic got the data and graph from the NYT article, I linked to the NYT article....and it is from the PSE, Piketty. You are not following along.
    2). Second to last graph unsourced so I'll assume you made it up and it's worthless.
    I wished I created it, but it is from Saez's data:
    Economic Freedom For All | Economics One
    3). Third to last graph speaks of income not wealth
    Where do you think wealth comes from but income?
    , and simply because it fits your DNC talking point.
    Again, it fits Piketty/Saez data points....you know, the academic data you squealed for.

    And what a completely moronic statement to say the poor of today are some how mysteriously worse off then 90 years ago.
    I did not say that, I have said over and over, even in this thread, that the lowest quintile has lost wealth and has seen lowered real wages since 1980.
    You a joke and making crap up might stink but it won't stick.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Nothing should be done, that isn't already being done. Income equality is a reality, because people aren't all equal in intelligence, drive, ingenuity, and just plain old luck. I strongly support reward for efforts, education, and industriousness, and I strongly dislike paying people for doing nothing.
    I agree. I dont see anything wrong with income inequality, in fact I support it. Its what separates the lazy and the ones who work hard and have proper business sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    I agree. I dont see anything wrong with income inequality, in fact I support it. Its what separates the lazy and the ones who work hard and have proper business sense.
    It is not about "income equality", it is about income gains.


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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    I agree. I dont see anything wrong with income inequality, in fact I support it. Its what separates the lazy and the ones who work hard and have proper business sense.
    What about generational inequality? It's one thing for the rich to be clever and work hard to make more, it's another for generational wealth to be passed down and idiots living off the interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    It is not about "income equality", it is about income gains.
    Well in that case it isnt a problem then because upward mobility is the same as it was twenty years ago. The only difference is that people nowadays whine about it more.

    Study: Upward Mobility No Tougher In U.S. Than Two Decades Ago : NPR

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Well in that case it isnt a problem then because upward mobility is the same as it was twenty years ago. The only difference is that people nowadays whine about it more.

    Study: Upward Mobility No Tougher In U.S. Than Two Decades Ago : NPR
    Um, wage gains have been flat for the 90% since the early 70's, so you would only really gain if you jumped into the top 10%....and you are not likely to do so unless you are lucky and already in the top 20%.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Um, wage gains have been flat for the 90% since the early 70's, so you would only really gain if you jumped into the top 10%....and you are not likely to do so unless you are lucky and already in the top 20%.
    Youre missing the point- you dont have get to super rich, the opportunity to become financially secure is the same as it was before. Sure the gaps are bigger but the opportunity hasnt changed. Its not about luck, its about working hard or getting a good idea and marketing it so it will take off.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Youre missing the point- you dont have get to super rich, the opportunity to become financially secure is the same as it was before. Sure the gaps are bigger but the opportunity hasnt changed. Its not about luck, its about working hard or getting a good idea and marketing it so it will take off.
    you are simply dismissing and excusing the capture of wealth by the top quintile and telling me that even though I know more than my father, i work longer hours, I have greater skills and am more productive, I should be satisfied that I make the same as he did. I should not expect greater levels of income for my higher levels of work.

    This is a common argument from libertarians, do not see that that the top have captured a larger share. I have never understood this protection of the wealthy, it is as if they need your defense.

    Even the source you linked to has a link the original data on mobility where so much of chances of mobility depend upon where you grow up....basically, the parents you choose. It is in fact, a lot about luck. But then the further one goes to right ideology, the more the emphasis is placed on morality, less on circumstance.

    We did build this, we should share in the gains.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    you are simply dismissing and excusing the capture of wealth by the top quintile and telling me that even though I know more than my father, i work longer hours, I have greater skills and am more productive, I should be satisfied that I make the same as he did. I should not expect greater levels of income for my higher levels of work.
    If youre working harder than your father did and youre making the same as he was then youre working the wrong kind of job is all I can say about that.

    This is a common argument from libertarians, do not see that that the top have captured a larger share. I have never understood this protection of the wealthy, it is as if they need your defense.
    I may not be making as much as the top 1% but I do not see why people who dont have their work ethic or vision be jealous of them because in the end thats all it is- you are jealous somebody has more money than you. Its not like the rich is stealing from you because they make money no matter how you are doing.

    Even the source you linked to has a link the original data on mobility where so much of chances of mobility depend upon where you grow up....basically, the parents you choose. It is in fact, a lot about luck. But then the further one goes to right ideology, the more the emphasis is placed on morality, less on circumstance.
    Its where you grew up, not who your parents are. If you live in a poor area you can always pack your bags and move. There are plenty of poor people who became rich, growing up poor didnt stop them. My gramps was abandoned by his father and he was forced to help his mother and sisters growing up but he became a millionaire after WW2.

    We did build this, we should share in the gains.
    Business owners and the market built it therefore they deserve the rewards, not you.

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