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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The Supreme Court ruling was that unions could use dues money to pay for political ads. Before that, it was against the law to do so, and so the unions had to collect funds for political purposes above and beyond the dues collected.

    So, now they can run political ads with dues money. Before that, they couldn't.

    I didn't know about the ruling until researching the issue, so I did learn something. Maybe you did too, I'm not sure.

    Now as for whether unions should be able to be involved in political decisions, that's quite another issue.
    I don't know what you researched, but it doesn't appear to have anything to do with the Supreme Court ruling that outlawed the classification of home healthcare workers as public employees, thus providing a massive windfall of union dues the SEIU then used for political purposes.

    Justices Rule Certain Workers Can't Be Forced to Pay Union Fees - WSJ

    WASHINGTON—Home-based care workers in Illinois aren't full-fledged public employees so they can't be forced to pay dues to a union they don't want to join, a divided Supreme Court said. But the limited ruling stopped short of barring organized labor from collecting fees from government workers who object to union representation.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    There are Federal laws in place now for worker protections. The best worker protection is to do a very good job each day.
    The laws are insufficient as written and enforced to create a robust middle class. Workers are not protected enough.
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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    The laws are insufficient as written and enforced to create a robust middle class. Workers are not protected enough.
    workers who want to be middle class in terms of US standards need to be able to compete better than the middle classes in India, China, Mexico etc



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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    workers who want to be middle class in terms of US standards need to be able to compete better than the middle classes in India, China, Mexico etc
    To be honest, they really can't because the standard of living here is so much higher than in India, China, Mexico, etc. that they have to be paid more here, just to be in the middle class, than people in those other countries. Our most destitute people usually make more getting a government check than the middle class in lots of third world nations.
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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I don't know what you researched, but it doesn't appear to have anything to do with the Supreme Court ruling that outlawed the classification of home healthcare workers as public employees, thus providing a massive windfall of union dues the SEIU then used for political purposes.

    Justices Rule Certain Workers Can't Be Forced to Pay Union Fees - WSJ

    WASHINGTON—Home-based care workers in Illinois aren't full-fledged public employees so they can't be forced to pay dues to a union they don't want to join, a divided Supreme Court said. But the limited ruling stopped short of barring organized labor from collecting fees from government workers who object to union representation.
    So, we're on a different subject now.

    If I understand you correctly, then, home based care workers are not required to pay dues to the union, but organized labor can still collect fees from government workers who don't want union representation.

    I'm not sure what that has to do with political contributions, but whatever.

    The nature of union representation is that everyone is included. Either a particular labor group is represented, or it is not. The union can not represent only those who pay dues, and exclude the rest. If, for example, the union negotiates a pay raise, then everyone gets the raise whether they do or don't want to be a part of the union. Do we agree on that point?
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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, we're on a different subject now.

    If I understand you correctly, then, home based care workers are not required to pay dues to the union, but organized labor can still collect fees from government workers who don't want union representation.

    I'm not sure what that has to do with political contributions, but whatever.

    The nature of union representation is that everyone is included. Either a particular labor group is represented, or it is not. The union can not represent only those who pay dues, and exclude the rest. If, for example, the union negotiates a pay raise, then everyone gets the raise whether they do or don't want to be a part of the union. Do we agree on that point?
    No, all the same subject, if you followed the thread. It has to do with union dues, how it's collected, who it's collected from, and how it is spent. I cited the recent Supreme Court case as an example because it illustrated that unions, including those in California, most certainly do use dues for political purposes, which you tried to suggest is not allowed by law.

    Their ruling was that unions, and state legislatures they bought to pass the legislation, can't reclassify home health care workers as public employees and then in collusion with state officials, become the lone bargaining force allowed to collect dues from people who don't want to join. The whole purpose in California, where this home health care scam originated, was to stuff the coffers of the union so it could spend $10's of millions on political issues. The SEIU is on the Board of George Soros Democracy Alliance, along with other Progressive forces like the NEA, and the AFL-CIO.

    The collective bargaining aspect has nothing to do with the issue of what unions can do with dues and politics.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It's indisputable fact that income inequality in the United States has grown substantially in the past few decades.

    Median nominal incomes, adjusted for inflation, have not gone up in the USA since the 50's. (Median is the halfway point, so we are talking about the middle-earner). In contrast, the per capita GDP has risen quite dramatically, due to the increased purchasing power of the upper echelon.


    I pose three questions to you:

    1.) What has caused this phenomenon
    2.) What are the long term implications if the trend is allowed to continue
    3.) What, if anything, should be done to adjust our course


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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    workers who want to be middle class in terms of US standards need to be able to compete better than the middle classes in India, China, Mexico etc
    Do you really think US workers can compete with wages in places like China and Singapore?
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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    workers who want to be middle class in terms of US standards need to be able to compete better than the middle classes in India, China, Mexico etc
    Workers in China, India, and Mexico should be working under the same protections as US workers. If they're underpaying them and working in sweatshops with no environmental standards, they shouldn't be entering our market and undercutting our workers.
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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Do you really think US workers can compete with wages in places like China and Singapore?
    of course not at a low skill level but if they want to live middle class lifestyles they need to be able to out produce those workers.

    global economics is the rule and income redistributionist schemes aren't going to change that



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