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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    That's what happens in a system where the public schools are all crap and parents can't afford to feed their kids.
    Who is punishing children? The schools? The public? The government? Business owners? Is all those groups punishing children?

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    So their children should be punished because their irresponsible? Classic neocon bull. We care about kids, until they are born. Then we don't care what happens to em.
    why do the people least able to care for children tend to breed the most? When I went back to my 25th reunion at Yale, I was surprised by so many people in their late forties with grade school children. Why? many of my classmates waited until they made partner, finished their residency or gained tenure before having kids. and then most of them didn't have more than 2-3. very different than what I saw as a young prosecutor handling city matters.



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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It's indisputable fact that income inequality in the United States has grown substantially in the past few decades.

    Median nominal incomes, adjusted for inflation, have not gone up in the USA since the 50's. (Median is the halfway point, so we are talking about the middle-earner). In contrast, the per capita GDP has risen quite dramatically, due to the increased purchasing power of the upper echelon.

    I pose three questions to you:

    1.) What has caused this phenomenon
    2.) What are the long term implications if the trend is allowed to continue
    3.) What, if anything, should be done to adjust our course

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    1) What has caused this phenomenon? A number of things. Taxation is less progressive. The decline of unions means labor has less power to demand a larger distribution of the profits through higher wages and other compensation. Money in politics has shifted policy concern away from the have-nots in favor of the haves. Tax loopholes for corporations and the rich abound. Per Warren Buffett: “Through the tax code, there has been class warfare waged, and my class has won; it’s been a rout.”

    2) What are the long term implications if the trend is allowed to continue? Probably nothing good. Politically it is a damning comment on our democracy when the middle class is no longer heard. Economically it is damaging because its driving force--the middle class--is being hollowed out. Economies with a rich upper class, a huge lower class and little in the middle is typically what you find in the third world.

    3) What, if anything, should be done to adjust our course? Vote Democratic. Support unions. Support a rise in the minimum wage. Support getting money out of politics. Join organizations that fight entrenched money power, like Common Cause. More government spending on rebuilding the nations infrastructure, paid for by taxes on the rich.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Seriously, you think that started in the Bible?



    Luckily, you crazy Libertarians will never see power so there's really nothing to worry about in your "bigger picture".
    The "separate the wheat from the chaff" idiom is from scripture, yes.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The "separate the wheat from the chaff" idiom is from scripture, yes.
    Just because it appears in that particular book of mythology doesn't mean that's the only place it has ever been used in history. Rent some perspective.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by jpn View Post
    Answers:
    1) What has caused this phenomenon? A number of things. Taxation is less progressive. The decline of unions means labor has less power to demand a larger distribution of the profits through higher wages and other compensation. Money in politics has shifted policy concern away from the have-nots in favor of the haves. Per Warren Buffett: “Through the tax code, there has been class warfare waged, and my class has won; it’s been a rout.”

    2) What are the long term implications if the trend is allowed to continue? Probably nothing good. Politically it is a damning comment on our democracy when the middle class is no longer heard. Economically it is damaging because its driving force--the middle class--is being hollowed out. Economies with a rich upper class, a huge lower class and little in the middle is typically what you find in the third world.

    3) What, if anything, should be done to adjust our course? Vote Democratic. Support unions. Support a rise in the minimum wage. Support getting money out of politics. Join organizations that fight entrenched money power, like Common Cause. More government spending on rebuilding the nations infrastructure, paid for by taxes on the rich.

    as long as the poor continue to increase their dependence on government things won't change which is exactly what the Dems want. we rich don't have a duty to pay for people who are dependent sloths created by Dem scum bags



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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Who is punishing children? The schools? The public? The government? Business owners? Is all those groups punishing children?
    By giving them deplorable living conditions and schools that don't teach to a 8th grade level when the kids graduate, all these institutions are complicit at least. Business does this by pressuring the government to lower taxes when they should be raised, and then finding loopholes so they pay much less than laws stipulate.

    The government does by allowing themselves to be bought.

    The public does by continuing a system of representation that simply does not work, or represent them.

    The schools are overburdened and underfunded so no not really. Although private schools by their very existence do by providing alternatives for the wealthy. If all kids went to public school, the system would be reformed over night...

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    By giving them deplorable living conditions and schools that don't teach to a 8th grade level when the kids graduate, all these institutions are complicit at least. Business does this by pressuring the government to lower taxes when they should be raised, and then finding loopholes so they pay much less than laws stipulate.
    Who is giving them deplorable living conditions? Their PARENTS?!?!?! And who isn't raising their children to take education seriously? Their PARENTS?!?!?!?! Oh wait, you never blame the people actually responsible, you point fingers at the government!
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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Just because it appears in that particular book of mythology doesn't mean that's the only place it has ever been used in history. Rent some perspective.
    "A particular book of mythology...." how cute.

    Yeah, let's just ignore the impact Christianity has had on our culture. I'm sure the english saying comes from goat herders in Nepal, who were heard uttering the phrase 22 years before Christ.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    "A particular book of mythology...." how cute.

    Yeah, let's just ignore the impact Christianity has had on our culture. I'm sure the english saying comes from goat herders in Nepal, who were heard uttering the phrase 22 years before Christ.
    The impact of your particular imaginary friend is entirely irrelevant. Try again.
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