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    Re: Income Inequality

    Nowhere did I suggest people should be able to take more than they have earned. WTF... You're simply talking as if everybody is entirely equal and capable of making the same exact amount of money and having the the exact same opportunities if they just work hard enough, and that's not reality. People are not equal. We have different levels of intelligence, different skills, different talents, etc. There is always going to be poverty for reasons beyond the individuals control be it IQ, physical or mental disability, illness, etc.

    Liberals, Conservatives, nobody can entirely rid a society of poverty or make everybody economic equals. It's a BS notion.

    In a Lockian free market, you are what you are worth in your current state at the current time... your FMV or what you are currently earning. You're worth no more or no less. My work has higher value at other firms, and I am capable of working at those firms because I have a great resume. However, I like the current benefits, and hence, changing jobs would involve economic tradeoffs. I will go to other firms eventually.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Which doesn't change a thing I said. I'm not a billionaire. I've worked hard for everything I've gotten. I've made good financial and personal decisions, I have virtually no debt and I pay for virtually everything in cash. I live within my means. It's not my fault if people can't learn to do that.



    Then you need to prove to your employers that you're worth more money than you're making. You need to show that your presence and your work earn them a significant amount of money. If you can't do that, then you're just not worth more. That's how it works.



    That's true, but we're also talking about people who had low-paying jobs before the economy tanked and once it recovers fully, they'll still have low-paying jobs. That's all they will ever have because they have neither the skills, the work ethic or the education to have more. And whose fault is that?



    No, we're not, so why are so many people acting like everyone ought to be treated equally? Bill Gates earned his billions. He deserves them. Someone digging ditches has not earned that much, therefore they don't deserve it. So why do we have this thread about income inequality when you, yourself, admit that there isn't work equality? People get what they've earned. If they want to get more, they have to earn more. It's not rocket science.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    I know... fighting unions is about hurting the Democratic Party's financiers... but I am a pragmatic person and want to hear better reasons to oppose unions on a personal level. I understand how current politics works.

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    Right-except that govt is all up in unions and vice versa-look at the democrat parties major donors-they are unions. They take care of each other in a sham against the public.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    You're doing that forgetting the lessons of history thing again.

    MANY revolutionary periods were precipitated by extreme income/wealth inequality.

    We're not at that point yet, but heading that way.

    So it simply isn't accurate to claim there's "no concern".
    Yeah, I don't truck with paying tribute to potential threats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Then why do they do that? We come back to the actual causes of their poverty. Did they get an education when they had a chance? Did they make good decisions in their lives? Did they do things that would make them successful? Or did they do stupid, self-defeating things? Who is responsible for these things? It's not society, it's the individual.
    Poverty is a cycle... welfare is a cycle and being a member of the working poor is often a cycle. How are you so sure it's not society? Have you researched the social implications of poverty and environment? It's very likely a condition of both human agency and government, and perhaps some genetics in the case of disabilities and mental and physical illness.

    The best solution is education and teaching them as children how to make better decisions and prepare them for college and trades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Nowhere did I suggest people should be able to take more than they have earned. WTF... You're simply talking as if everybody is entirely equal and capable of making the same exact amount of money and having the the exact same opportunities if they just work hard enough, and that's not reality. People are not equal. We have different levels of intelligence, different skills, different talents, etc. There is always going to be poverty for reasons beyond the individuals control be it IQ, physical or mental disability, illness, etc.

    Liberals, Conservatives, nobody can entirely rid a society of poverty or make everybody economic equals. It's a BS notion.

    In a Lockian free market, you are what you are worth in your current state at the current time... your FMV or what you are currently earning. You're worth no more or no less. My work has higher value at other firms, and I am capable of working at those firms because I have a great resume. However, I like the current benefits, and hence, changing jobs would involve economic tradeoffs. I will go to other firms eventually.
    You're making my argument for me. The people who are more deserving of better pay, the people who know more, who learn better, who are smarter and harder working, those are the people who get paid more! That's how it works! There isn't an income inequality, there's a QUALITY INEQUALITY! If these people were better at their jobs, they'd make more money!

    So I guess that's thread over, we both agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    No it hasn't the number in poverty is greatly diminished. Even with a "gap" (what lefties love to cite as "evidence" of a problem ) everyone has benefited.
    While it has greatly diminished in city's, again in rural areas it has gotten worse. Furthermore to attribute all this to the free market is absurd. In India and China they have largely been growing from outside investment, and education. Not your beloved free market. Both governments stepped in with strong regulations and more funding for public education. This does much more than the free market ever could/would.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    No, we don't agree. I am arguing there is always going to be poverty, because people are not equal. But I am also arguing that the people on the top are not worth what they have been paid. For example, the highest paid people in the world crashed the economy, and those CEOs and executives were the highest paid CEOs and executives in history at that time.

    I understand the concept of FMV, but actually putting a value on human labor and quality is more complicated than simply valuing it at it's FMV in the free market. It's not that simple.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You're making my argument for me. The people who are more deserving of better pay, the people who know more, who learn better, who are smarter and harder working, those are the people who get paid more! That's how it works! There isn't an income inequality, there's a QUALITY INEQUALITY! If these people were better at their jobs, they'd make more money!

    So I guess that's thread over, we both agree.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You're making my argument for me. The people who are more deserving of better pay, the people who know more, who learn better, who are smarter and harder working, those are the people who get paid more! That's how it works! There isn't an income inequality, there's a QUALITY INEQUALITY! If these people were better at their jobs, they'd make more money!

    So I guess that's thread over, we both agree.
    That's kind of a narrow way of looking at things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Poverty is a cycle... welfare is a cycle and being a member of the working poor is often a cycle. How are you so sure it's not society? Have you researched the social implications of poverty and environment? It's very likely a condition of both human agency and government, and perhaps some genetics in the case of disabilities and mental and physical illness.

    The best solution is education and teaching them as children how to make better decisions and prepare them for college and trades.
    Which would be great, but the liberals don't want us telling the poor how they are screwing up their lives because it might make them feel bad and somehow, that's racist. We have to accept that the ridiculous ghetto culture that makes 94% of poor black familys headed by single mothers. We have to accept that the ghetto culture that puts a huge number of poor black men in prison, in gangs, on drugs, etc. is somehow not their own fault and we're not allowed to tell them how stupid the whole thing actually is. We can't bring up that their culture makes them treat people who actually want to get out of poverty as race traitors to be shunned by the community. If we say what is actually true, we're called racists.

    Yes, the best solution is for them to actually get educations when they have them available but we have to get them out of that cultural mess they grow up in first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That's kind of a narrow way of looking at things.
    Nope, it's an accurate way of looking at things.
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