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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I would be more inclined to follow the philosophies of Hayek. It's not Laissez-faire, but has a limited amount of proper law and regulation to ensure the free participation and interactions of the market. And when people mess up, they have to realized the consequences of such; the government doesn't bail out the losers. Or rather shouldn't.
    This is a vague answer. So, no FDA? OSHA? What I mean is, in what way, exactly, would you free the US market?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It is against the law of the State of California to use general membership dues to support political causes.

    I know. I used to be one of those terrible union members. I was even elected president of a local. I have a proud history of union membership, just like one of our most famous governors, Ronald Reagan.
    Perhaps I'm out of touch, but I'm not familiar with laws that make spending of general membership dues on political causes illegal. I believe there are opt out provisions for non-members, but not what you are writing.

    I've been goggling with little success.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It's indisputable fact that income inequality in the United States has grown substantially in the past few decades.

    Median nominal incomes, adjusted for inflation, have not gone up in the USA since the 50's. (Median is the halfway point, so we are talking about the middle-earner). In contrast, the per capita GDP has risen quite dramatically, due to the increased purchasing power of the upper echelon.


    I pose three questions to you:

    1.) What has caused this phenomenon
    2.) What are the long term implications if the trend is allowed to continue
    3.) What, if anything, should be done to adjust our course


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    1.) What has caused this phenomenon It's not exactly a phenomenon. Income inequality predates us by thousands of years.
    2.) What are the long term implications if the trend is allowed to continueNo idea....
    3.) What, if anything, should be done to adjust our course Nothing can be done, or should be done artificially.


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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Perhaps I'm out of touch, but I'm not familiar with laws that make spending of general membership dues on political causes illegal. I believe there are opt out provisions for non-members, but not what you are writing.

    I've been goggling with little success.
    Im not aware of that either. But even with the opt out, the member must still pay dues, iirc. And that make the opt out very difficult.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Back it up. PROVE that most of the wealth in this country was MADE while voting republican, lol. I mean, if you were to say a person made a ton of money, then BECAME republican, well, that would be believable, but not supporting of your point. If you were to say that most of the wealthiest people in the country are republican, and were BEFORE they got wealthy, well, then I'd need you to try to substantiate that claim somehow, or admit to just saying stuff.
    Never said Republican, said conservative. The two are not the same. Learn to read.
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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Never said Republican, said conservative. The two are not the same. Learn to read.
    Fine. Swap the word out at all uses.


    Then respond. Google hard.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Im not aware of that either. But even with the opt out, the member must still pay dues, iirc. And that make the opt out very difficult.
    As recently as 2012, California had Prop 32 on the ballot which sought, among other things, to curtail the use of union dues for political activities.

    Proposition 32: Prohibits Political Contributions by Payroll Deduction. Prohibitions on Contributions to Candidates. Initiative Statute.

    Union Dues and Fees. Approximately 2.5 million workers in California are represented by a labor union. Unions represent employees in the collective bargaining process, by which they negotiate terms and conditions of employment with employers. Generally, unions pay for their activities with money raised from (1) dues charged to union members and (2) fair share fees paid by non-union members who the union represents in the collective bargaining process. In many cases, employers automatically deduct these dues and fees from their employees’ paychecks and transfer the money to the unions.

    Payroll Deductions Used to Finance Political Spending. Many unions use some of the funds that they receive from payroll deductions to support activities not directly related to the collective bargaining process. These expenditures may include political contributions and independent expenditures—as well as spending to communicate political views to union members. Non-union members may opt out from having their fair share fees used to pay for this political spending and other spending not related to collective bargaining. Other than unions, relatively few organizations currently use payroll deductions to finance political spending in California.


    Prop 32 was defeated in the vote. I'm not aware of any recent legislation that has made this spending illegal. I may have missed it, but I haven't seen it.

    The greatest victory in the area of dues was the recent Supreme Court ruling that nailed the SEIU in it's In-Home-Support-Services scam they had been running. In California alone, they collected over $60 million a year on this outrageous plan supported by the Democrat controlled legislature they purchased with taxpayer money. Hopefully, all home health care workers opt out, and the SEIU can die the horrible death it deserves.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    You're complaining about laziness, then you are complaining about hard workers not being smart and looking for opportunities in the workplace. I hope you realize that distinction. I don't think the majority of Americans are lazy. I think a lot of Americans are willing to work hard, and work long hours, but that has little to do with the income gap. Very hard working people live in poverty and financially struggle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Which is unfortunately not as many people as it ought to be. There are a lot of people in society who do not do hard work, who hardly want to get out of bed in the morning and they don't have to because they get a government check. There are far too many people who get complacent, who just get into a position and stay there and wonder why they're not getting more and more money. That's because they don't take on more and more responsibility. They have to continually and constantly earn it. I see people who say they've been in the same job for 20 years and I have to wonder what the heck is wrong with them. Why haven't they been promoted? Why aren't they doing their bosses job? Why haven't they continued to move up? That's a problem and they have to take a serious look at themselves to see where they are failing.

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    I don't think that that is way liberals actually think. I don't live in a super liberal state, and I don't know many super mega liberals, but I don't get the feeling that the majority of them or the majority of Americans hold the beliefs you are suggesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's not just a couple of salaries but the people who tend to do that are conservative. Liberals have their hands out, they just expect to be rewarded for showing up. They think they're just entitled to more, we think we actually have to work hard and earn it. That's why, in my entire professional career, I've never been in the same position more than 3-4 years, I'm always being promoted, I'm always moving up, I'm always improving and succeeding, because I have the drive and desire to do it. I know that it's *MY* responsibility. Liberals think it's someone else's responsibility.

    That's the difference.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    You're complaining about laziness, then you are complaining about hard workers not being smart and looking for opportunities in the workplace. I hope you realize that distinction. I don't think the majority of Americans are lazy. I think a lot of Americans are willing to work hard, and work long hours, but that has little to do with the income gap. Very hard working people live in poverty and financially struggle.
    Then why do they do that? We come back to the actual causes of their poverty. Did they get an education when they had a chance? Did they make good decisions in their lives? Did they do things that would make them successful? Or did they do stupid, self-defeating things? Who is responsible for these things? It's not society, it's the individual.
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