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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    And if the corporations agree to pay higher wages because organized workers demand more, it's okay. It's a reciprocal agreement.
    And if they don't?
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    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Sadly you are correct.
    I don't know that there's anything sad about it. America was built on people going out on their own and competing with existing companies. If you have a better idea, if you want to do something differently, you find investors, you get a loan, you work hard and you put your own money, time and reputation on the line and create something yourself. Your labor is worth what someone is willing to pay you for it and not a single dime more. If you don't like what you're making, go find someone who will pay you more for your skills. Yet in this absurdly liberal society we have today, the workers don't want to actually innovate or find someone who thinks they're worth a premium, they want to get the government to force their employers to give them more money for the same work.
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    The amount of money we spend on politics is ridiculous and sad. I remember when Mitt Romney was in Ohio during Superstorm Sandy asking for money and people were donating cans of Campbell's soup, meanwhile, you know his financial backers were pouring in billion dollar donations for him to run the campaign.

    Meg Whitman spend 140 million of her own money on a failed campaign. All that money wasted. Just think how many storm victims and how many people she could have helped with 140 million.

    It's disgusting how expensive political campaigns are.

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    100%. Hell yes.



    Naturally, it won't happen. Politics is a billion dollar a year industry.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And if they don't?
    Tacit consent isn't a permanent foregone conclusion.

    Sometimes there's a labor movement, sometimes there are guillotines.
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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I don't know that there's anything sad about it. America was built on people going out on their own and competing with existing companies. If you have a better idea, if you want to do something differently, you find investors, you get a loan, you work hard and you put your own money, time and reputation on the line and create something yourself. Your labor is worth what someone is willing to pay you for it and not a single dime more. If you don't like what you're making, go find someone who will pay you more for your skills. Yet in this absurdly liberal society we have today, the workers don't want to actually innovate or find someone who thinks they're worth a premium, they want to get the government to force their employers to give them more money for the same work.
    My point is that the average salary has no increased much while costs have, but your conservative principles are still true. Frankly I think govt has been more of a problem than a solution, as Reagan like to say.
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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Depends on whose labor you're talking about. I benefit from the hard work of myself.
    The economy is interdependent. We benefit on the hard work of everybody else participating in the economy. I easily see it in my coworkers. I don't have to do anybody else's job at my firm. There are no lazy people here.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Tacit consent isn't a permanent foregone conclusion.

    Sometimes there's a labor movement, sometimes there are guillotines.
    Still waiting for a response from you.
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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    So, in summary, you're okay with unions so long as they have no authority, leverage, or strength and are relegated to ornamental tributes to workers rather than functional organizations fit to actually serve their needs.


    I'm sorry that conservative politicians act in opposition to the public positions of labor leaders. It's easier to catch flies with honey...
    whats the issue

    if the union does what it is supposed to do, the people will join, and pay the dues

    if not, well i guess they really didnt need the union to begin with....did they?

    yes...it's harder in a shop like that....but that is when you know the union ACTUALLY WORKS for the members, not some boss.... or other organization somewhere else
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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Tacit consent isn't a permanent foregone conclusion.

    Sometimes there's a labor movement, sometimes there are guillotines.
    So you're proposing violence. That's rather telling.
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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    The amount of money we spend on politics is ridiculous and sad. I remember when Mitt Romney was in Ohio during Superstorm Sandy asking for money and people were donating cans of Campbell's soup, meanwhile, you know his financial backers were pouring in billion dollar donations for him to run the campaign.

    Meg Whitman spend 140 million of her own money on a failed campaign. All that money wasted. Just think how many storm victims and how many people she could have helped with 140 million.

    It's disgusting how expensive political campaigns are.

    Well, they didn't light all that money on fire to send out smoke signals. TV and Radio people were paid, small town and big town printers were employed. Mechanics and logistics people benefited. The list goes on and on.

    The fact that people are swayed by big messages, rather than taking the time to educate themselves on the issues and candidates should be the biggest concern.

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