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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    If the Republican candidates offered union support, I'm sure the money would follow. Conservatives unfortunately don't appreciate a fair and balanced debate between organized business matched with organized labor.
    You say you are "sure", cool story bro.

    Im "sure" you make excuses for the draconian measures of your party. Whats that like?

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You say that like people care. No matter how true it might be in reality, people just aren't interested in that. They look at the amount of money they have on hand, the cost of the various items they have to choose from and make a decision based on that. Long-term use is the farthest thing from their mind.
    I get that. My point is in response to the mantra that outsourcing is a net good thing because it provides lower prices. But too often the quality is even lower than the price.

    So "outsourcing is actually good for low income workers" is a less than true concept when at the end of the day they end up paying MORE to open cans than they did when they made more money and can openers cost more.

    Peoples behavior doesn't make it any less false economy.
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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I get that. My point is in response to the mantra that outsourcing is a net good thing because it provides lower prices. But too often the quality is even lower than the price.

    So "outsourcing is actually good for low income workers" is a less than true concept when at the end of the day they end up paying MORE to open cans than they did when they made more money and can openers cost more.

    Peoples behavior doesn't make it any less false economy.
    Oh, I'm not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing, I'm just saying that it's an understandable thing that people are going to want the lowest possible prices, regardless of the underlying realities and if companies want to compete in the free marketplace, they have to keep reducing prices, even if that means lowering the quality of their products. It's what the consumer wants and the consumer's money is king.

    You might have a point if people's money supply wasn't a constantly regenerating thing. People keep getting paid. They have a continually limited supply of money that gets resupplied on a regular basis. That's how virtually everyone thinks. I don't think that I can buy a cheap car today that might only last 10 years, or an expensive car today that might last 20 years. I still only have a certain amount of money to spend today, I'll get more in 2 weeks and more 2 weeks after that. Most people, like it or not, don't think over the long term. False economy or not, it is the economy we have.
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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Since Im a fan of the first amendment and freedom from coercion, yeah-its a problem for me.
    Do you feel the same when a corporation donates money to causes some stockholders disagree with?
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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    i have zero issues with unions under the following restrictions

    1. it has to be an open shop.....we live in a democracy.....not fair to make people join something they dont necessarily believe in

    2. Dues have to be optional.....if the union does good work, then the dues will be paid.....if not, the union leaders can starve

    I dont really think unions are necessary myself anymore.....but if people want them, fine

    But they have to be open....not dictorial
    So, in summary, you're okay with unions so long as they have no authority, leverage, or strength and are relegated to ornamental tributes to workers rather than functional organizations fit to actually serve their needs.
    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You say you are "sure", cool story bro.

    Im "sure" you make excuses for the draconian measures of your party. Whats that like?
    I'm sorry that conservative politicians act in opposition to the public positions of labor leaders. It's easier to catch flies with honey...
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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Oh, I'm not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing, I'm just saying that it's an understandable thing that people are going to want the lowest possible prices, regardless of the underlying realities and if companies want to compete in the free marketplace, they have to keep reducing prices, even if that means lowering the quality of their products. It's what the consumer wants and the consumer's money is king.

    You might have a point if people's money supply wasn't a constantly regenerating thing. People keep getting paid. They have a continually limited supply of money that gets resupplied on a regular basis. That's how virtually everyone thinks. I don't think that I can buy a cheap car today that might only last 10 years, or an expensive car today that might last 20 years. I still only have a certain amount of money to spend today, I'll get more in 2 weeks and more 2 weeks after that. Most people, like it or not, don't think over the long term. False economy or not, it is the economy we have.
    Yet those who DO know better still repeat the mantra that wages are stagnant but that's OK because prices are lower.
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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Do you feel the same when a corporation donates money to causes some stockholders disagree with?
    If there are enough stockholders that disagree, they can vote out the leadership of that corporation, so sure. Checks and balances.
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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Since govt employees are REQUIRED to join these public sector unions, and since the money they forcibly take are spent supporting dems, even against the wishes of the employee-thats not good enough.
    They aren't required to take the job though. They could always find a job in the private sector and negotiate individually.
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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Meaning increase funding and votes for the democrat party.
    Or maybe we could all agree to restrict corporate and union influence in politics, and empower the individuals more in this country...

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    Re: Income Inequality

    I think the government should stay out of employer/employee bargaining and union politics. We should let the workers and their employers work everything out among themselves like the adults they are, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Since Im a fan of the first amendment and freedom from coercion, yeah-its a problem for me.

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