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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    I don't see how. You were saying that in your area there is only one company that sells compliant appliances and whatnot. That seems awfully hard to believe to me, but even if that were so, all you'd need to do to address that would be to go to a city. Or use the Internet like everybody else does. Right? Obviously, there are thousands of retailers selling that stuff to choose from, no?
    Go on the internet right now, and try to order up a rated for food service, 4 burner grill and oven, the most basic thing any kitchen needs. You're gonna find....2, MAYBE 3 brands, in all the US, to choose from, and that's it. Better yet, to give you an even better idea, and an even more basic and essential item for ANY kitchen, try buying a griddle. Thousands of retailers? No, you can't USE the stuff retailers are selling, it's illegal. Those are for home use. ONLY.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Then, the regulations being discussed are actually necessary for public safety? If that's so, why should there be a problem with them?

    Because they are trying to apply blanket solutions to a system that is anything but uniform. If I want to open a little mom and pop breakfast joint, I shouldn't HAVE to buy a 900 dollar microwave that will see limited use. Nor should I HAVE to buy a huge 4 burner that sucks up nat gas like a 60's V8, when all I'm expecting to do is 800 a day in business. I can do that perfectly safely with an electric stove, lol. And for the record, what the government is saying, is that this crap they let the "rest of us" buy for home use is somehow NOT safe for heavy use, because it can't be used in restaurants?


    Either **** is safe, or it isn't? I mean, maybe I'm feeding a family of 10 with my home depot stove?
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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    the oven wasnt a sysco oven....i mentioned that because someone mentioned the company

    when my wife bought the company with her brother 25 years ago, i didnt know anything about the food industry

    i have learned a lot since then.....sysco being one of major investments

    the oven was am industrial oven very similar to these

    Best Ovens | Commercial Bread Baking Ovens

    depending on your operation, sometimes a simple double decker convection oven is plenty

    with her operation, she needed much more
    I'm not disagreeing with you, but, most will agree, the world was a very different place 25 years ago. I think milk was still healthy, then.
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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, getting back to KevinKohler's post about excessive regulation, can we conclude that much of the cost attributed to regulation is actually the cost of commercial equipment that is needed for a business as opposed to less costly equipment that we have in our kitchens?
    Due to regulation. In order to be "rated for commercial use", there are, of course, fees to be paid, licenses to be gotten (fees to be paid), minimum productions to be met, etc etc.

    Which effectively closes the market to other would be commercial equipment producers out there. In essence, forcing a monopoly. So, regardless of the fact that a commercial microwave only costs a little more to make than a non commercial, the markup is huge. Because they can. And because they have to. Why do they have to? There are fewer customers for the commercial microwave, than for the home use.
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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    the equipment is extremely expensive

    but the regulations are also very costly

    everything from how your exhaust has to be done, to the type of refrigeration you use, and what you are allowed to put into it

    its a costly combination....the regulations require x, which you need equipment y to overcome

    the restaurant business, or food business as a whole is probably one the hardest to get going, and one of the easiest to go broke in
    And I hadn't even GOTTEN to that portion of it. The ventelations, the plumbing, all of which can ONLY be done by a SELECT few outfits. Need a new three bay sink? No problem, those only cost a couple hundred. Need it installed? Well now, NOW you have to go through one, and only ONE, plumbing company...at least in my area, anyway. And they just happen to also be union. Same with the hood fans and vents, the AC, the electrical, etc.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Because they are trying to apply blanket solutions to a system that is anything but uniform. If I want to open a little mom and pop breakfast joint, I shouldn't HAVE to buy a 900 dollar microwave that will see limited use. Nore should I HAVE to buy a huge 4 burner that sucks up nat gas like a 60's V8, when all I'm expecting to do is 80 a day in business. I can do that perfectly safely with an electric stove, lol. And for the record, what the government is saying, is that this crap they let the "rest of us" buy for home use is somehow NOT safe for heavy use, because it can't be used in restaurants?


    Either **** is safe, or it isn't? I mean, maybe I'm feeding a family of 10 with my home depot stove?
    I suppose if your restaurant has only 10 customers, you have a point.

    but how do you make a living with so few?
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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I get that. Now, since you're in the business, perhaps you know whether the regulations are necessary for public safety, or whether they are there for the benefit of some of the vendors.

    Or, perhaps it is both.
    Both.

    It is the unintended consequence of safety. I'm not saying deregulate the entire market. But for ****s sake, a 900 dollar microwave? Especially for a CLASSY place, that simply isn't going to use it that often? A 50K oven just so you can sell fresh baked brownies?

    At some point, we need actual, human to human communication to happen, one person speaking to another, voicing their intentions with item A or B, etc. Actual human decision making, based on individual situations and demands, not blanket policy.

    I'm not saying to let the owner, who is a chef, try to rig up his own hood fan. He's gonna either suffocate his staff, or burn the place down. But, don't also tell him there is only ONE guy in town who is going to DICTATE to you how much that vent system is going to cost to instal. That's....R E T A R T T T E D.

    I'm not saying to let every single kitchen out their have the option to buy a home depot electric range top stove. That's eventually gonna cause grease fires in places owned by short sighted idiots focused on quick profit. But to require that ANY place that needs an oven MUST use a 50,000 dollar oven...again....stupid. Maybe a place that is thinking about offering some fresh bread options doesn't NEED a 20K proofer along with that oven...maybe they are making low volume.

    A lot of this came about from a genuine desire for safety, but an almost equal amount, it seems to me, came about from lobbyism, and the desire to retain american jobs. Hobart? Amana? These are american companies, with employees still in the US.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    for the benefit of some vendors?

    i dont think so.....

    everything required is for customer or employer safety....

    food production can be very hazardous as many would guess

    do i think they go overboard on some...yes

    but i am the less government = better world type of guy

    i want to know that when i eat out, the food we consume is not only tasty, but also safe to consume

    so some regulation and oversight is needed...the question then becomes how much is too much
    100%. I like not getting ecoli, shigela, or some other food born illnesses. And I think I deserve a reasonable eaxpaction to NOT worry about those things when eating out. But I also think that a fella SHOULDN'T have to be a millionaire, or go into EXTREME debt, to pursue their dreams in this country.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    todays news

    Wells Fargo Worker Asks For $3B Raise - For Everyone

    Wells Fargo Worker Asks For $3B Raise - For Everyone

    he is a customer service rep

    makes over $ 15 an hour.....

    so 30k approx for annual....and he wants a 10k raise (25%) because the company is profitable

    did he do anything special for the raise?

    did he learn any new skills? improve some system in the bank?

    wanting a raise is fine.....now how about EARNING it.....

    just doing your job doesnt get you a 25% raise.....
    Eh, normally, I'm with you.


    But this is a bank, and I have a bone to pick with banks. They want their risks socialized, that knife should cut both ways.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Income Inequality

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I suppose if your restaurant has only 10 customers, you have a point.

    but how do you make a living with so few?
    I messed up. Turn 80 into 800 in business.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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