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    Re: Do you find airstrikes in Syria as legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Why shouldn't air strikes against a clear and present enemy in a region with a failed state be legal?
    Where have they been demonstrated to be a clear and present danger to the United States?
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    Re: Do you find airstrikes in Syria as legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    What are you talking about?? IS was caused by US. not maliki, and not Assad. We had no buisness being their in the first place, and our intrusions into their region caused IS to form. They are using weapons we left their and gave them!!
    Now it's your ignorance that is showing. I would suggest you read up on the issue before commenting further.

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    For the love of god we were arming IS 6 months ago! We literally gave them guns!
    Citation please.

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    Also what was our "duty" in Iraq? To depose a dictator WE didn't like? Or to secure oil and REE for American company's?
    Maliki was the duly elected leader of Iraq. Stop living a decade in the past and live in today's world. Citation for all the oil coming to American companies please. :
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Do you find airstrikes in Syria as legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Now it's your ignorance that is showing. I would suggest you read up on the issue before commenting further.

    Citation please.

    Maliki was the duly elected leader of Iraq. Stop living a decade in the past and live in today's world. Citation for all the oil coming to American companies please. :
    Remember when we armed the rebels in Syria? The rebels that were al nusra front and turned into IS? that would be when we armed them... Not to mention leaving loads of guns in the hands of the Iraqi defense force, which had little training and even less interest in fighting for the Iraqi state.

    http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/Lea...s=MTTIMIZ1&f=M

    In 96 it was zero. From 2001 to 02 in january it went from ten thousand to 30 thousand. It peaks around the invasion. And really I think it had allot more to do with securing the oil fields. Not garnering them for just America. But getting them out of Saddam's control in general. That's what the international puppet masters wanted.

    Why don't you try researching stuff before you accuse others of being ignorant?

    Yea he was "duly elected" just like Obama and bush... Frankly I think mos world elections are rigged by coercion and money at the very least.
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    Re: Do you find airstrikes in Syria as legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Iraq is none of our business. I keep up with the news and nothing you've shown tell me the US has any responsibility, treaty, whatever ... to protect Iraq. We handed Iraq back to the Iraqi's. We haven't spoken to Syria diplomatically in a very long time and also have no treaty or defense pact with Syria. Therefore, since the US has no responsibility there and there is no evidence of a clear and present danger to the US as you have already admitted - we have no business being there and such actions that are being taken are illegal.


    The facts are the US has no legal obligation to engage anyone in Iraq and Syria. The fact is Congress has not debated the issue nor have they voted on a declaration of war. The fact is you have provided no evidence of a treaty or defense pact between the US and Syria or Iraq. Therefore the US has no business engaging anyone in those countries.
    Ah, I see the divide here. You don't think we should bother stepping into Iraq at all. Well, that ends this exchange then.

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    First off I was not derailing the topic. You were talking about invading Iraq, ad clear an present danger. Not legality. It was already derailed by YOU!

    second you seem to think a way to fix the Isis issue is by doing that exact thing that allowed it to be created in the first place. Ie attacking middle eastern country's with out a good grasp of politics in the region. To attack Isis will send more and more Sunnis flocking to them. It's what they want. Their trying to goad us into attacking them!


    Said nothing of a full invasion of Iraq, thought we were just focusing on our policy of airstrikes. I'd rather not have boots on the ground in full force or anything like that. Feel free to put words in my mouth though. Also, spare me the caps.

    Did I say we should go guns a blazing in there and overthrow their government again while setting up another weak new government for the nation? No.

    And of course they're egging us on, again, stating the obvious. This doesn't mean we let them keep on keeping on in a climate we helped create. It means we have to be smarter about how we engage them and I think we can both agree another full invasion isn't wise. I'm all for calculated air strikes though and support to friendly Kurdish forces.

    What would you like to see the USA do in this situation?
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    Re: Do you find airstrikes in Syria as legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    Ah, I see the divide here. You don't think we should bother stepping into Iraq at all. Well, that ends this exchange then.


    Said nothing of a full invasion of Iraq, thought we were just focusing on our policy of airstrikes. I'd rather not have boots on the ground in full force or anything like that. Feel free to put words in my mouth though. Also, spare me the caps.

    Did I say we should go guns a blazing in there and overthrow their government again while setting up another weak new government for the nation? No.

    And of course they're egging us on, again, stating the obvious. This doesn't mean we let them keep on keeping on in a climate we helped create. It means we have to be smarter about how we engage them and I think we can both agree another full invasion isn't wise. I'm all for calculated air strikes though and support to friendly Kurdish forces.

    What would you like to see the USA do in this situation?
    Appeal to the un and international community to get involved. Its what we should have done in the first place.

    Calculated air strike? That's a joke right? We hit the wrong people all the time! That's a leading cause of ppl turning to IS!

    I never said you said that. I was referring to air strikes. Feel free to jus make stuff up tho have fun with that...

    And yes bombs are a form of invasion too, like it or not.

    Oh and I never thought we should enter Iraq either. I do however think its our responsibility to try to fix the massive problems WE caused for the region.
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    Re: Do you find airstrikes in Syria as legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    Remember when we armed the rebels in Syria? The rebels that were al nusra front and turned into IS? that would be when we armed them... Not to mention leaving loads of guns in the hands of the Iraqi defense force, which had little training and even less interest in fighting for the Iraqi state.
    I'm not saying we didn't arm rebels in Syria but it's not surprising that the arms and money get to terrorist groups. We armed and trained Iraqi soldiers and tanks, HMV's, small arms and other military systems were captured by ISIS when the Iraqi's fled. So your solution then is to not arm anyone in the ME? I would agree with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    U.S. Imports from Iraq of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products (Thousand Barrels)

    In 96 it was zero. From 2001 to 02 in january it went from ten thousand to 30 thousand. It peaks around the invasion. And really I think it had allot more to do with securing the oil fields. Not garnering them for just America. But getting them out of Saddam's control in general. That's what the international puppet masters wanted.

    Why don't you try researching stuff before you accuse others of being ignorant?
    We started importing Iraq oil (according to your link) March of 1997. So what. "International Puppet Masters"? Who are they exactly - illuminati? Bilderburg? Let me get my tin foil hat on...

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    Yea he was "duly elected" just like Obama and bush... Frankly I think mos world elections are rigged by coercion and money at the very least.
    It's none of our business whether or not it was rigged or not. Do you still not get that Iraq is not part of the US?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Do you find airstrikes in Syria as legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    Appeal to the un and international community to get involved. Its what we should have done in the first place.

    Calculated air strike? That's a joke right? We hit the wrong people all the time! That's a leading cause of ppl turning to IS!

    I never said you said that. I was referring to air strikes. Feel free to jus make stuff up tho have fun with that...

    And yes bombs are a form of invasion too, like it or not.
    We've already set up a coalition with Arab nations and some European ones, so I'd say the international community is very much in this. So, put that one to rest.

    We hit the right people far more, if we hit the wrong ones it's unfortunate collateral damage. It's gonna happen one way or another, don't be naive. Innocent people sadly get pulled into violence.

    And no, bombs don't constitute a full invasion.

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    Re: Do you find airstrikes in Syria as legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    Appeal to the un and international community to get involved. Its what we should have done in the first place.

    Calculated air strike? That's a joke right? We hit the wrong people all the time! That's a leading cause of ppl turning to IS!

    I never said you said that. I was referring to air strikes. Feel free to jus make stuff up tho have fun with that...

    And yes bombs are a form of invasion too, like it or not.

    Please keep up.

    The appeal to the "international community" came early this year when John Kerry was drooling over a "teensy attack". If you don't think Obama hasn't been twisting arms at the UN, you are too naive to debate.
    In the famous "red line" the president of the United States forged ahead with his plan to attack and then asked for help, and got no's from Germany, Poland, France, Canada, and even Britain had to take it to a commons vote which they lost by one vote, just enough government members to kill it. He has run out of 'friends'...long ago

    Now he has a "coalition" of his pet rocks David Cameron and Stephen Harper who are sincerely pledging moral support and that they won't gouge too much for body bags and materiel. It's hard to take you seriously when you exhibit such ignorance on this file, yet continue to froth with opinions even after having demonstrated that you're entirely wrong.

    What Obama should have done is what presidents before him have done, and sat down with Putin and had a chat about what was going on in Syria instead of making it into another dick-swinging contest.
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    Re: Do you find airstrikes in Syria as legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'm not saying we didn't arm rebels in Syria but it's not surprising that the arms and money get to terrorist groups. We armed and trained Iraqi soldiers and tanks, HMV's, small arms and other military systems were captured by ISIS when the Iraqi's fled. So your solution then is to not arm anyone in the ME? I would agree with that.

    We started importing Iraq oil (according to your link) March of 1997. So what. "International Puppet Masters"? Who are they exactly - illuminati? Bilderburg? Let me get my tin foil hat on...

    It's none of our business whether or not it was rigged or not. Do you still not get that Iraq is not part of the US?


    No he equates Iraq's relationship to the US to be the same as Ukraine's relationship to Russia, never mind the fact Russian in the language of most Ukrainians many of whom did not want to side with USA.

    The argument that the leadership was corrupt is the only parallel and if that is the grounds for a legal invasion, then China and Russia can loose the hounds of war with impunity. One look at some of the voting registration and illegals and a host of nations would be bombing Euclid, Ohio by now, not to mention the tobacco and arms lobbies, and a few hundred bridges to nowhere.
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    Re: Do you find airstrikes in Syria as legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'm not saying we didn't arm rebels in Syria but it's not surprising that the arms and money get to terrorist groups. We armed and trained Iraqi soldiers and tanks, HMV's, small arms and other military systems were captured by ISIS when the Iraqi's fled. So your solution then is to not arm anyone in the ME? I would agree with that.

    We started importing Iraq oil (according to your link) March of 1997. So what. "International Puppet Masters"? Who are they exactly - illuminati? Bilderburg? Let me get my tin foil hat on...

    It's none of our business whether or not it was rigged or not. Do you still not get that Iraq is not part of the US?
    I agree in not arming anyone (except for maybe the Kurds so they can defend themselves) but ideally the UN would do its job and intervene... All we would have to do is lift embargoes on Iran and that would probably be enough for China and Russia to vote our way...

    Yea pay no attention to the massive jump of imports right around the war... None at all...

    And it would be the oil industry and the military industrial complex as a whole. IE the people who stand to profit...

    Builderburg is a place where the elite go to meet and greet for huge treats... They certainly conspire their... To what extent who knows.... The illuminati is for wackos and false...

    I think it is likely however that the world elite do conspire to maintain control, and to discuss their various nefarious agendas...

    Its the world buisness if an election is rigged, and frankly I think Americas have been for some time. Either through propaganda and manipulation of the two party system, or outright as we saw with bush.

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