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    Re: Do you find airstrikes in Syria as legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    Well, it's not for the USA, but it is for Iraq (and parts of Syria). Again, I'm not and never was talking about their threat level to America, stop bringing it up. And as for Iraq and so on: do you not keep up with the news?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/22/wo...rkey.html?_r=0

    I doubt a 100k people were running from nothing, and they're not even in Iraq. Clearly ISIS is a clear and present danger for folks in that part of the region. You can just Google this stuff, it's simpler than playing the denial game.

    You keep bringing up their threat level to America even though that is not what I've meant from the start. Let me be clear, I'm not worried about us, I'm worried about Iraq.
    Iraq is none of our business. I keep up with the news and nothing you've shown tell me the US has any responsibility, treaty, whatever ... to protect Iraq. We handed Iraq back to the Iraqi's. We haven't spoken to Syria diplomatically in a very long time and also have no treaty or defense pact with Syria. Therefore, since the US has no responsibility there and there is no evidence of a clear and present danger to the US as you have already admitted - we have no business being there and such actions that are being taken are illegal.


    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    Why do you continuously argue with people that don't care about facts?
    The facts are the US has no legal obligation to engage anyone in Iraq and Syria. The fact is Congress has not debated the issue nor have they voted on a declaration of war. The fact is you have provided no evidence of a treaty or defense pact between the US and Syria or Iraq. Therefore the US has no business engaging anyone in those countries.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Do you find airstrikes in Syria as legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    To us or to Iraq, because I'm talking about Iraq.



    A silly way to derail the topic.

    ISIS is here and must be dealt with.

    It's the wrong time to get high and mighty, but yes, our policies made the breeding ground for militant trash like ISIS. Everyone knows this, you don't get a gold star for stating the obvious.
    First off I was not derailing the topic. You were talking about invading Iraq, ad clear an present danger. Not legality. It was already derailed by YOU!

    second you seem to think a way to fix the Isis issue is by doing that exact thing that allowed it to be created in the first place. Ie attacking middle eastern country's with out a good grasp of politics in the region. To attack Isis will send more and more Sunnis flocking to them. It's what they want. Their trying to goad us into attacking them!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Iraq is none of our business. I keep up with the news and nothing you've shown tell me the US has any responsibility, treaty, whatever ... to protect Iraq. We handed Iraq back to the Iraqi's. We haven't spoken to Syria diplomatically in a very long time and also have no treaty or defense pact with Syria. Therefore, since the US has no responsibility there and there is no evidence of a clear and present danger to the US as you have already admitted - we have no business being there and such actions that are being taken are illegal.


    The facts are the US has no legal obligation to engage anyone in Iraq and Syria. The fact is Congress has not debated the issue nor have they voted on a declaration of war. The fact is you have provided no evidence of a treaty or defense pact between the US and Syria or Iraq. Therefore the US has no business engaging anyone in those countries.
    Actually I think we have a very strong moral obligation to do something about it. I just don't think us troupes are the answer because like I said above, it will just cause IS to have more members.

    I would like to see us work with the international community (yes this probably means working with Iran) to get the un to do something about it.

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    Re: Do you find airstrikes in Syria as legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post

    Actually I think we have a very strong moral obligation to do something about it. I just don't think us troupes are the answer because like I said above, it will just cause IS to have more members.

    I would like to see us work with the international community (yes this probably means working with Iran) to get the un to do something about it.
    The only moral obligation the US has is to help remove innocents from the fighting.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Do you find airstrikes in Syria as legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The only moral obligation the US has is to help remove innocents from the fighting.
    So you don't think we have a moral obligation to fix the problem we caused?

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    Re: Do you find airstrikes in Syria as legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    So you don't think we have a moral obligation to fix the problem we caused?
    Nope.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Do you find airstrikes in Syria as legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Nope.
    Why not? If we caused massive instability in a region is it not out duty to fix the problem? Or do you think america can just go around invading whoever we want without addressing the massive issues it causes for the region?

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    Re: Do you find airstrikes in Syria as legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    Why not? If we caused massive instability in a region is it not out duty to fix the problem? Or do you think america can just go around invading whoever we want without addressing the massive issues it causes for the region?
    We left Iraq - our duty was done. The Iraqi's did not approve a SOFA for the US to stay. Our job was done - the current problem is more Maliki's doing and Assad's doing so not our problem. Let them kill each other. If it causes massive issues in the region it's incumbent for that region to figure it out and fix it. Until there is solid evidence that ISIS is a clear and present danger to the US - this is not our problem. I really cannot be clearer than that so I hope you get it.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Do you find airstrikes in Syria as legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coin View Post
    Well, ISIS does not work as a direct agent of Damascus and under its operational control.

    Do you find airstrikes in Syria as legal?

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    In terms of whether the President has the power to engage the military in hostilities, i lean towards no. An argument could be made that preexisting congressional actions allow it, or that there is evidence of a imminent threat, but I dont think its in the spirit of the constitution or war powers act. Internationally? Who knows. Syria isnt going to do anything, so Iraq has a right to defend itself.

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    Re: Do you find airstrikes in Syria as legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    We left Iraq - our duty was done. The Iraqi's did not approve a SOFA for the US to stay. Our job was done - the current problem is more Maliki's doing and Assad's doing so not our problem. Let them kill each other. If it causes massive issues in the region it's incumbent for that region to figure it out and fix it. Until there is solid evidence that ISIS is a clear and present danger to the US - this is not our problem. I really cannot be clearer than that so I hope you get it.
    What are you talking about?? IS was caused by US. not maliki, and not Assad. We had no buisness being their in the first place, and our intrusions into their region caused IS to form. They are using weapons we left their and gave them!!

    For the love of god we were arming IS 6 months ago! We literally gave them guns!

    Also what was our "duty" in Iraq? To depose a dictator WE didn't like? Or to secure oil and REE for American company's?

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    Re: Do you find airstrikes in Syria as legal?

    I voted "no" entirely on the notion that what is and is not legal seems to be a convenient moving target made worse by which party is in office wanting action at the time and which other is in opposition. Often with both sides acting hypocritically of the situation. If our Constitutionally and legislatively understood limitations meant anything half the bombs we have dropped would have never been dropped.

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