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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I'm pretty sure the majority of Americans and Canadians will be against this idea.... however I'd like to put it out there for discussion.

    Unless you're living under a rock, you know that there exists such a thing as the European Union. In it, several European countries have come together to form a bloc in which they share a common currency, certain branches of government, in which there is a free flow of people, and they are working toward a mutual defense system.


    I will lay out a case why I think such a union between the United States and Canada could be beneficial to both parties, and could work better than even the EU.


    1.) Cultural similarities - Both countries speak English as their first language. The way they talk are virtually indistinguishable from one another. Vancouver and Seattle have more in common with each other, culturally, than either one does with Birmingham Alabama, for example. Toronto and Buffalo have more in common than either has with Dallas.

    This is not the case in the EU, and their union still works. USA and Canada are a natural cultural fit.


    2.) National Defense - Today, we have NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command) which essentially serves to link up the United States and Canada as one unit when it comes to the defense of our continent from foreign invasions. Canada benefits from the US' huge military providing security, and the US benefits from the early warning and defense from the north by, potentially, the Russians or others.

    The EU has no such defense agreement, but their union still works. Norad has existed and worked well for both countries since 1956.


    3.) Alaska - The only way to get to Alaska is to drive through or fly over Canada. It helps to be able to get to and access your own territories freely.


    4.) Economy - Canada is extremely blessed with natural resources. At least equal to that of the United States. Russia is more blessed than either one. The only way Canada or the US can match the Russians is to combine forces.

    Here's a breakdown:

    CANADA -

    Proven oil reserves: 173.9 billion barrels
    Proven gas reserves: 70 trillion cubic feet
    Proven coal reserves: 7.8 billion tons

    Energy portfolio... total value: $20.2 trillion



    Metal and ore reserves... $1 trillion


    Reserves composition (value):

    79% Potash
    6% Iron ore
    5% Nickel
    3% Gold
    3% Copper
    1% Zinc
    1% Platinum (PGM)

    Years of production: 56




    UNITED STATES -

    Proven oil reserves: 35 billion barrels
    Proven gas reserves: 300 trillion cubic feet
    Proven coal reserves: 237 billion tons

    Energy portfolio.... total value: $28.5 trillion


    Metal and ore reserves... $613 billion

    Reserves composition (value):

    20% Copper
    19% Iron Ore
    12% Gold
    5% Platinum (PGM)
    4% Zinc
    3% Potash

    Years of production: 44



    RUSSIA -

    Proven oil reserves: 87 billion barrels
    Proven gas reserves: 1,163 trillion cubic feet
    Proven coal reserves: 157 billion tons

    Energy portfolio.... total value: $40.7 trillion


    Metal and ore reserves... $1.63 trillion

    Reserves composition (value):

    49% Iron ore
    20% Potash
    14% Platinum (PGM)
    8% Gold
    5% Nickel
    4% Copper

    Years of production: 99



    So you can see, the only way the US or Canada can match Russia as far as resources go is to combine forces, in which case we surpass the Russians.

    So this benefits the Americans on the global stage. On the other hand, the US is blessed with a large, educated, and industrial population and we have the largest GDP in the world by a long shot. Canada could benefit greatly from free American investment minus all the legal and currency hurdles that exist today.



    5.) We get Burger King back, and two types of bacon > one type of bacon.




    What do you think? Would you be in favor of the USA and Canada joining forces, or is it better to continue as is?
    It would be fantastic and mutually beneficial. I'd be an enthusiastic supporter. I suppose we could just conquer them, wouldn't be that hard.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    I use to advocate for a North American union under the U.S. constitution but watching Mexican TV and how cheesy it is, I've been having second thoughts on Mexico.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Yes, because I hate Canada.
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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    5.) We get Burger King back, and two types of bacon > one type of bacon.
    Those other godzillion issues make no sense!

    But yes I think you should join so as to get "Burger King" back! Anything for getting Burger King back!
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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Despite favorable positions in these last posts, the statistics in this OP are majorly against it for now.
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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Some comments and questions.

    The EU isn't really one big country though.
    What's wrong with just trading currency?
    What's wrong with just having defense treaties?
    Why not just have open travel without becoming one country? Not too long ago I could re-enter the US from Mexico without a passport.
    Is there a like button that can take away some of DaveFagan's likes?

    I wouldn't want there to be any kind of union that is as "official" as the EU. I don't think Canada can handle all of the butthurt they'd have over it. They wouldn't even be butthurt because of the numbers in politics. They'd just be all upset because Canadians are more "nyeh I hate Americuhhhh and like, war?" like your average rebellious teenager in the US is. The whole, "BUT MY TAX SUBSIDIZED HEALTH CARE MIGHT DISAPPEAR EVEN THOUGH IT WON'T" too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    the reason it won't happen anytime soon is because of rural, rightwing Americans. Canadians are so much smarter. The Christian Heritage party doesn't exist and the western bloc party never did. Trailer Park Boys and the Red Green show are actually about Americans in America. Yeah, let's recognize Alaska for being a bunch of crazy mountain folk and Eskimos but Nunavut, NWT, Yukon, Newfoundland, the entire country, just a bunch of affluent well-to-do liberals.

    ^ and everything Ganesh said about how 300,000,000+ people are just ducking bullets whizzing by in every direction every waking moment of their short shot to death lives. Canadians have guns too and messed up super crazy wild west Vermont and New Hampshire have fewer gun deaths than Canada.

    I don't care if I'm strawmaning. I can read between the lines. I got the subtext of what y'all meant.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I'm pretty sure the majority of Americans and Canadians will be against this idea.... however I'd like to put it out there for discussion.

    Unless you're living under a rock, you know that there exists such a thing as the European Union. In it, several European countries have come together to form a bloc in which they share a common currency, certain branches of government, in which there is a free flow of people, and they are working toward a mutual defense system.


    I will lay out a case why I think such a union between the United States and Canada could be beneficial to both parties, and could work better than even the EU.


    1.) Cultural similarities - Both countries speak English as their first language. The way they talk are virtually indistinguishable from one another. Vancouver and Seattle have more in common with each other, culturally, than either one does with Birmingham Alabama, for example. Toronto and Buffalo have more in common than either has with Dallas.

    This is not the case in the EU, and their union still works. USA and Canada are a natural cultural fit.


    2.) National Defense - Today, we have NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command) which essentially serves to link up the United States and Canada as one unit when it comes to the defense of our continent from foreign invasions. Canada benefits from the US' huge military providing security, and the US benefits from the early warning and defense from the north by, potentially, the Russians or others.

    The EU has no such defense agreement, but their union still works. Norad has existed and worked well for both countries since 1956.


    3.) Alaska - The only way to get to Alaska is to drive through or fly over Canada. It helps to be able to get to and access your own territories freely.


    4.) Economy - Canada is extremely blessed with natural resources. At least equal to that of the United States. Russia is more blessed than either one. The only way Canada or the US can match the Russians is to combine forces.

    Here's a breakdown:

    CANADA -

    Proven oil reserves: 173.9 billion barrels
    Proven gas reserves: 70 trillion cubic feet
    Proven coal reserves: 7.8 billion tons

    Energy portfolio... total value: $20.2 trillion



    Metal and ore reserves... $1 trillion


    Reserves composition (value):

    79% Potash
    6% Iron ore
    5% Nickel
    3% Gold
    3% Copper
    1% Zinc
    1% Platinum (PGM)

    Years of production: 56




    UNITED STATES -

    Proven oil reserves: 35 billion barrels
    Proven gas reserves: 300 trillion cubic feet
    Proven coal reserves: 237 billion tons

    Energy portfolio.... total value: $28.5 trillion


    Metal and ore reserves... $613 billion

    Reserves composition (value):

    20% Copper
    19% Iron Ore
    12% Gold
    5% Platinum (PGM)
    4% Zinc
    3% Potash

    Years of production: 44



    RUSSIA -

    Proven oil reserves: 87 billion barrels
    Proven gas reserves: 1,163 trillion cubic feet
    Proven coal reserves: 157 billion tons

    Energy portfolio.... total value: $40.7 trillion


    Metal and ore reserves... $1.63 trillion

    Reserves composition (value):

    49% Iron ore
    20% Potash
    14% Platinum (PGM)
    8% Gold
    5% Nickel
    4% Copper

    Years of production: 99



    So you can see, the only way the US or Canada can match Russia as far as resources go is to combine forces, in which case we surpass the Russians.

    So this benefits the Americans on the global stage. On the other hand, the US is blessed with a large, educated, and industrial population and we have the largest GDP in the world by a long shot. Canada could benefit greatly from free American investment minus all the legal and currency hurdles that exist today.



    5.) We get Burger King back, and two types of bacon > one type of bacon.




    What do you think? Would you be in favor of the USA and Canada joining forces, or is it better to continue as is?
    I'm not worried about oil or any of that.

    How do we convince Canadians to accept our healthcare, pistol carry permits and not to mention our declaired seporation from the Crown as their own?

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    What is in it for Canada...a much higher murder rate and more terrorism?

    Sure America gets all those natural resources and only has to take on an additional 35 million people to get them.

    What on Earth does Canada get out of it?

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    No.

    But I do appreciate that they gave the world hockey.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I'm pretty sure the majority of Americans and Canadians will be against this idea.... however I'd like to put it out there for discussion.
    The United States was founded in defiance and violent rebellion against a horrendous tyrant.

    Canada was founded in cowering and grovelling before this same tyrant.

    More than two centuries later, deep and irreconcilable cultural differences remain, defined by this difference in origins of the two nations.

    To suggest that the two nations are similar enough to make sense of such a union is a deep insult to any American.
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