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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Let's not forget about Puerto Rico.
    That is not really part of the U.S., even then it still would not do much to the numbers to my knowledge.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    That is not really part of the U.S., even then it still would not do much to the numbers to my knowledge.
    40 million Spanish-speakers reside in the US, not including Puerto Rico. It doesn't matter. The point was that, numbers-wise, the US could absorb Quebec without too much difficulty. At least, it would not affect US culture very much, it would only spice it up and enhance it as I'm sure many from Quebec would travel around America.

    On the other hand, Quebec might be better off becoming a commonweath similar to Puerto Rico in its ties with Canada and the US.

    That would be up to the people of Quebec.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    40 million Spanish-speakers reside in the US, not including Puerto Rico. It doesn't matter. The point was that, numbers-wise, the US could absorb Quebec without too much difficulty. At least, it would not affect US culture very much, it would only spice it up and enhance it as I'm sure many from Quebec would travel around America.

    On the other hand, Quebec might be better off becoming a commonweath similar to Puerto Rico in its ties with Canada and the US.

    That would be up to the people of Quebec.
    I doubt it, the U.S. would have to accept French language and Quebecois culture whether it would like it or not.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Why do you say that?

    In my opinion, the reason it won't happen anytime soon is because of rural, rightwing Americans. I think you could sell the benefits to Canadians and urban, educated Americans in the north.
    Never. You could never get more than a handful of lunatic Canadians to agree to such a stupid proposal. If you seriously think you could sell this hallucination to a measurable group of Canucks you've never been north of the border. Canadians don't want to be Americans. You might be surprised to find that most people in the developed world don't want to be Americans. Sorry, but you brought it up...
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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    I doubt it, the U.S. would have to accept French language and Quebecois culture whether it would like it or not.
    What does that even mean?

    The US has no national language at all. So if, in a hypothetical scenario, Quebec became part of the USA, there would be zero change for Quebec, and zero change for the rest of the USA.

    Decisions to print road signs in two languages, to teach foreign languages in schools.... those are made at the state and even county level in the US. Presumably, Quebec would be a state, so they could and probably would elect to continue on with the status quo.

    I assume that the rest of the US would continue with their status quo.
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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    This has been tossed about a lot in the past, and in the '60s, was almost considered a slam dunk.

    However, curiously enough for such two similar regions, a number of things have changed since then.

    America has moved relentlessly to the political right, to the extent that things like universal medical care, for example, (even Nixon went for that), once considered, is now looked on as little better than communism. There are two political parties currently in the US: one a little to the right of the political center, and one a little to the right of Attila the Hun. All other voices in what should otherwise be a cacophony of divergent opinion, in a nation of 315 million, are submerged, beaten down, ridiculed, paid off, or otherwise seen by common wisdom as being ridiculous.

    In Canada, there are five major federal political parties, three of which could possibly form government. They represent a relatively broad philosophical spectrum.

    Today Americans are arming themselves to the teeth, with debates about allowing guns into churches, schools, universities, hospitals, etc; whether one should hide their gun in a pocket or purse; whether it is ok to carry an assault rifle into the supermarket, or to a political rally. Not surprisingly, gun deaths are in close coordination with guns in circulation.

    In Canada, the wild west lives on in movies, but not in the streets. Guns are regulated, and hand guns are almost unknown aside from a few very select occupations, and a small handful of sportsmen, the latter under regulations that would have the NRA recreating the storming of the Bastille, this time with the White House as the target. Needless to say, gun deaths are proportionately lower.

    The answer to crime in the US is imprisonment, and the US has the highest rate of incarceration in the world. People are locked up for long periods, sometimes on the most dubious indications. At any one time, close to one percent of the US population can be under lock and key.

    Prevention and counselling take a stronger role in Canada, and incarceration rates are far less. Imprisonment is seen as a last resort.

    In the 1960s, ideas about religion were about the same in both countries. We have strongly diverged since then. Most Americans today profess some sort of metaphysical belief, and many are deeply immersed in religious dogma.

    In Canada, about a third of the population professes no religion, and among the rest, belief can be soft to the point of non-existence. It is usually only a small minority of recent immigrants that actually practice such beliefs.


    So should they be one country? Maybe, but some movement on the American side would be necessary before such a measure is taken, IMO.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    we are citizens, they are subjects. but most of their good athletes end up here anyway



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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    What does that even mean?

    The US has no national language at all. So if, in a hypothetical scenario, Quebec became part of the USA, there would be zero change for Quebec, and zero change for the rest of the USA.

    Decisions to print road signs in two languages, to teach foreign languages in schools.... those are made at the state and even county level in the US. Presumably, Quebec would be a state, so they could and probably would elect to continue on with the status quo.
    So this hypothetical country is just the US, doubled in size? Decisions that Canadian provinces usually make are now in the hands of, who?
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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we are citizens, they are subjects. but most of their good athletes end up here anyway
    Ohferfvcksakes.
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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    What does that even mean?

    The US has no national language at all. So if, in a hypothetical scenario, Quebec became part of the USA, there would be zero change for Quebec, and zero change for the rest of the USA.

    Decisions to print road signs in two languages, to teach foreign languages in schools.... those are made at the state and even county level in the US. Presumably, Quebec would be a state, so they could and probably would elect to continue on with the status quo.
    The thing about that is, Quebec would require French to be recognized at a Federal level. Unlike Spanish speaking immigrants which are expected to learn English, Quebec parle seulment Francais. Francophones in Canada have a right to speak French and receive all government (federal, state, whatever) services in French. The U.S. government would have to recognize the French language and provide services in that language. There is also the fact that anti-Americanism is strongest in Quebec.

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