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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    An economic union that is more entangled than it is now, yes. And it may happen sooner than you or I think because of developments in the Arctic - clearly Canada and Russia have by far the largest claims in the Arctic and Russia appears to be inclined to seize first and work out the difficulties later. I can see Canada and America entering into an agreement to jointly exploit Arctic resources and by doing so dampen any attempt by Russia to take control of more than what they're entitled to.

    We in Canada would likely have issues with your national debt and with your healthcare and immigration policies to name just a couple of the literally hundreds if not thousands of cultural/political differences we have.

    But it would be fun to watch Washington adapt to parliamentary government with multiple parties - liberals might actually be able to get back to actually being liberals!!
    The example you give with the Arctic is precisely what I mean. It's not hard to foresee Russia, as they get bigger and more powerful, becoming even more brazen over time. Also, America adds money and knowhow to what you already have in Canada to better be able to develop those resources. What America gets out of it, conversely, is access to resources it otherwise wouldn't have access to.

    Things like healthcare are minor hurdles at the end of the day, when you have a giant carrot dangling in front of your face. Things tend to happen. To be honest, I foresee Obamacare morphing in to nationalized healthcare in the future anyway. We'll see if we get a Republican president next time, if he's able or willing to undo it. My instincts say "no." I think we were going in that direction one way or the other, and Obama is the scapegoat for what is now an unpopular program.

    I think an economic and military union/entanglement are inevitable. In many ways, we already have it. I think a single currency, if the Euro experiment works out, is also an inevitability. Every time you sell something in to the US, or buy supplies from the US, you have to pay an exchange fee (or vice versa of course). That's too much money lost from the economy that doesn't really need to be.

    I don't think you'll ever see Canada 100% run out of Washington, though. That's simply not necessary. Like I said earlier, I foresee something like the United Kingdom's arrangement, where you have your parliament and we have our government, but there is some kind of umbrella representing both parties as well.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    An economic union that is more entangled than it is now, yes. And it may happen sooner than you or I think because of developments in the Arctic - clearly Canada and Russia have by far the largest claims in the Arctic and Russia appears to be inclined to seize first and work out the difficulties later. I can see Canada and America entering into an agreement to jointly exploit Arctic resources and by doing so dampen any attempt by Russia to take control of more than what they're entitled to.

    We in Canada would likely have issues with your national debt and with your healthcare and immigration policies to name just a couple of the literally hundreds if not thousands of cultural/political differences we have.

    But it would be fun to watch Washington adapt to parliamentary government with multiple parties - liberals might actually be able to get back to actually being liberals!!
    Our national debt actually isn't a problem, at least not relative to the rest of the developed world. That includes Canada, by the way.

    I would be more worried about Canada's national debt without the United States than with it.

    As long as the OPEC countries sell their oil exclusively in US Dollars, the dollar will continue to be the reserve currency globally. Right now, 60% of the world's reserve currencies are US dollars (clearly, so that these nations can buy foreign oil).

    As long as foreign countries need oil, this creates demand for US dollars, which makes our debt a non-issue. Also, icing on the cake, the majority of these foreign reserves are reinvested in to the United States in the form of government bonds.

    This means, at the end of the day, America has a virtually unlimited money supply. We're the only nation on earth that has it so good.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Is your French-speaking population bigger than the US' Spanish-speaking population?

    I'll be honest - I'm very familiar with Western Canada... I've been many times to Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary and such.... but I've never set foot east of Alberta. I'm not sure how they are culturally over there.
    22.3% of the country speaks French as a first language and we have a province that is officially only French, in the U.S. only 13% speaks Spanish with no region speaking it as an official language. Quebec is vastly different culturally form the rest of Canada and especially America being more European, specifically French. The East is also far more Liberal then the rest with Quebec being the most Liberal as even rural areas are safe Liberal or NDP ridings.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    22.3% of the country speaks French as a first language and we have a province that is officially only French, in the U.S. only 13% speaks Spanish with no region speaking it as an official language. Quebec is vastly different culturally form the rest of Canada and especially America being more European, specifically French. The East is also far more Liberal then the rest with Quebec being the most Liberal as even rural areas are safe Liberal or NDP ridings.
    Let's not forget about Puerto Rico.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Awesome idea. I'm sure the Canadians would love it if we shared our culture war with them, thus paralyzing their country forever.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    I like'm Canadians, but hell no.
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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Only if the Argonauts and Rough Riders get into the NFL....screw them Edmonton Eskimos, and Hamilton Tiger-Cats (a tiger IS a cat..duh)
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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    And here I want there to be an amicable divorce here in the U.S.

    Let the socialists and communists go their way; let the facsists and crony capitalists go their way; and let those of us who want to be free of each control freak faction go our way, lol...

    Canada seems of have fixed some of their messes, but they love big, intrusive government - and of course the U.S. has gone completely off the rails.

    I'd be for a U.S./Canada merger if it meant we lovers of freedom could have a little slice of sovereign land of our own... but of course, authoritarian states don't let their victims escape, do they??

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Only if the Argonauts and Rough Riders get into the NFL....screw them Edmonton Eskimos, and Hamilton Tiger-Cats (a tiger IS a cat..duh)
    Toronto will have an NFL team soon, just watch.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Toronto will have an NFL team soon, just watch.
    Yeah, the Bills.

    London will get a team too.
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