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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Well not all of Canada speaks English, we have a sizable Francophone population as well. Also politically we are very different, if Canada joined the U.S., the president and the House would always be Democrat. Despite all of our similarities we also have out differences. I would never support it in a million years.
    Is your French-speaking population bigger than the US' Spanish-speaking population?

    I'll be honest - I'm very familiar with Western Canada... I've been many times to Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary and such.... but I've never set foot east of Alberta. I'm not sure how they are culturally over there.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    As an older Canadian, I don't believe this will ever happen in my lifetime, but I do believe that a more comprehensive "union" will eventually happen - although I answered the poll by saying, no.

    It is impractical, in my view, to talk about one country because Canada and Canadians would be lost and swamped by numbers. Several of our Provinces would be the equivalent of Rhode Island in population yet significantly greater in wealth of resources both land and natural. Canadians would never agree to simply being absorbed and become 12 new States in the United States of North America. Our voices and world view would become virtually irrelevant when drowned out by 10 times our population to the south.

    I do believe, however, that we are on an inevitable course to at least an economic union. The wealth necessary to exploit a lot of our natural resources already comes from American entities, as well as Asian sources. The current government in Canada, a conservative one, is much more open to this type of joint development than many on the Canadian left.

    There's not enough time and space to go into all the logistical complications involved in becoming one country. The largest impediment, most likely, would be the emotional one. Canadians, if they're being honest, love Americans, love having America as our neighbour, and selfishly love that any military attack on Canada would be seen as an attack on America, allowing us to skimp on defense spending that is nowhere near adequate for the size and scope of country we need to defend. America is like a big brother that allows us to be confident that no one is going to bully us. And lots of Canadians, with all that, are still a little snobbish about considering themselves better than Americans. It's similar to Toronto and Torontonians often believing they're pretty much a younger version of NYC and we will get there in time.

    Bottom line, closer economic union is inevitable but joining under one national umbrella won't happen unless at some point America decides it's in their best interests to take us by force.
    ... it almost certainly won't happen by force. There's such a thing in this world as high foreign investment between countries. What occurs between the United States and Canada is on another bracket entirely.

    While it is theoretically possible Canada could forcefully disengage itself from America by making gigantic mega sacrifices and shooting itself in the stomach and head, in a real politics sense it would never happen.
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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    We value different things. Hockey vs Football. Motorcycles vs snowmobiles. Cops on bikes vs cops on horses (I kid) ( but not really) (no, I kid)

    You would force one set of rules, one set of leaders, and one currency onto two different acting, different thinking groups of people.

    That's just gonna create hostility, and instability.

    Again, see EU.
    They like football in Canada, and we like hockey in the USA. Did you know they show the NFL on TV in Canada? Did you know that most NHL franchises are in the United States?

    Canada and the US are MUCH closer, culturally, than the European Union nations. I would expect us to form a union similar to the United Kingdom... where England and Scotland and Wales and Northern Ireland are distinct countries, but all operate under one umbrella, so to speak.

    I would guess that's where we're headed eventually.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    ... it almost certainly won't happen by force. There's such a thing in this world as high foreign investment between countries. What occurs between the United States and Canada is on another bracket entirely.

    While it is theoretically possible Canada could forcefully disengage itself from America by making gigantic mega sacrifices and shooting itself in the stomach and head, in a real politics sense it would never happen.

    The American public would never stand for taking Canada by force anyway. That's not on the table, and it isn't what I had in mind in my OP.

    Can you imagine the military marching on Vancouver.... that would be like seeing the military occupy Cleveland. Would never be acceptable.

    Any sort of union or closer relations would be something mutually agreed upon and negotiated by our politicians, or it wouldn't happen at all.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Best answer so far.

    I think what will eventually happen will be an arrangement similar to the United Kingdom.... minus the king. I think the benefits to the Canadian people would be too much to pass up. If you're a business owner in Canada, imagine being able to operate freely in the 50 states without the legal, currency, and political hurdles. Talk about opening up new markets.

    If you're a regular joe in Canada, imagine being able to travel to Florida or California with nothing but a drivers licence, or being able to send your kids to Harvard or Stanford without having to fit in to a tight international student quota. It's about being able to move, travel and live anywhere you want, get whatever job you want, and opening up a ton of new doors. I can't imagine the Canadian people, especially in Western Canada, passing that up if it were actually laid out in front of them.

    I think it will happen eventually, though, maybe not in our lifetime. I think the principal resistance today would be from politicians who don't see the need due to a weakened Russia and Europe, as well as from rightwing southerners who would fear that the balance would tip in favor of the left as Canadians are seen as more leftist.

    However, I believe that at the end of the day, the almighty dollar will win out. It makes too much economic sense. Canada is too vast and underexploited with its small population, and needs to be linked to the industrial and financial machine that is the USA in order to see its assets fully realized. We would both be wealthier with an economic union and, at the end of the day, I think that will win out at some point.
    An economic union that is more entangled than it is now, yes. And it may happen sooner than you or I think because of developments in the Arctic - clearly Canada and Russia have by far the largest claims in the Arctic and Russia appears to be inclined to seize first and work out the difficulties later. I can see Canada and America entering into an agreement to jointly exploit Arctic resources and by doing so dampen any attempt by Russia to take control of more than what they're entitled to.

    We in Canada would likely have issues with your national debt and with your healthcare and immigration policies to name just a couple of the literally hundreds if not thousands of cultural/political differences we have.

    But it would be fun to watch Washington adapt to parliamentary government with multiple parties - liberals might actually be able to get back to actually being liberals!!
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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    No, simply because of how much more Left Leaning their population tends to be in relation to the United States. It'd be like the UK/Scotland situation all over again.

    If were ever going to take Canada, it should have been during the Revolution. Unfortunately, neither side was willing to look past the French Catholic / Anglo-Saxon-German Protestant divide seriously enough to make that any sort of union a reality at the time.
    Exactly we have enough leftists here and Canada is its own distinct nation with a great history. That applies to all of the commonwealth nations.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    An economic union that is more entangled than it is now, yes. And it may happen sooner than you or I think because of developments in the Arctic - clearly Canada and Russia have by far the largest claims in the Arctic and Russia appears to be inclined to seize first and work out the difficulties later. I can see Canada and America entering into an agreement to jointly exploit Arctic resources and by doing so dampen any attempt by Russia to take control of more than what they're entitled to.

    We in Canada would likely have issues with your national debt and with your healthcare and immigration policies to name just a couple of the literally hundreds if not thousands of cultural/political differences we have.

    But it would be fun to watch Washington adapt to parliamentary government with multiple parties - liberals might actually be able to get back to actually being liberals!!
    Those problems will probably diminish over time, and the Canadian government(s) will eventually want unity even if they don't.
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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Is your French-speaking population bigger than the US' Spanish-speaking population?

    I'll be honest - I'm very familiar with Western Canada... I've been many times to Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary and such.... but I've never set foot east of Alberta. I'm not sure how they are culturally over there.
    Actually, Quebec, the primarily French Speaking Province and the one trying to separate from Canada over the past half-century, would welcome this far more than many other Canadians. Many Quebecers have French relatives in the northeastern US and those pushing separation in the past lobbied in NYC and Washington for virtually becoming a US State following separation, kind of like a northern Louisiana.

    Another interesting aspect would be the large number of foreign born Canadians now here - we've had substantial immigration over the last half-century and they have no strong ties to Canadian history and most have family and friends all over the US - in some cases, their first choice would have been the US but they got into Canada - getting a chance to become American would be attractive to many.
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