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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Well if Canada didn't exist until 1876, how could they have defeated us in 1776 and 1812?
    We fought the Revolutionary War against Canada? Damn those bastards!
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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I'm pretty sure the majority of Americans and Canadians will be against this idea.... however I'd like to put it out there for discussion.
    Shortening your post to make my post a bit shorter.

    I personally think that in an IDEAL world there would be no such things as national borders. A one world government with districts would be much better. Each district having its own "mini" government to deal with local issues. The world government taking care of the Freedoms of people and making sure that the environment is taken care of.

    But...again...that is in an IDEAL world. A world where people actually care about other people and aren't greedy power hungry assholes. Alas...we do not live in such a world. Until we do I support nationalism as its much easier to put a government in its place should it get out of control if it doesn't have control of all of the worlds resources and capabilities.
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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Shortening your post to make my post a bit shorter.

    I personally think that in an IDEAL world there would be no such things as national borders. A one world government with districts would be much better. Each district having its own "mini" government to deal with local issues. The world government taking care of the Freedoms of people and making sure that the environment is taken care of.

    But...again...that is in an IDEAL world. A world where people actually care about other people and aren't greedy power hungry assholes. Alas...we do not live in such a world. Until we do I support nationalism as its much easier to put a government in its place should it get out of control if it doesn't have control of all of the worlds resources and capabilities.
    If the Europeans can form a union, if Germany can unify, if the Italian states can unite, if China can unite, if the United Kingdom can fly a single flag, then I say why not the US and Canada? It's not like such a move would be unprecedented

    We have so much in common, it makes sense.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Canada didn't even exist as a country back in 1776 or 1812. Hmmmm something's fishy about your claim.

    The USA fought Great Britain in 1776 and in 1812. And while I'm sure the British did inflict some damage, the US won both those wars.
    It might be a good idea to brush up on your history Peter, if you like posting on such forums.

    Britain conceded the revolutionary war to the American colonists, partly because there was very little public support for a war that was considered one of brother against brother, and perhaps more importantly, it was skewing trade, and hence the profits to be made if peace were to be re-established.

    It was also conceded, importantly, due to the intervention of France and Spain, the other two superpowers of the time, whose efforts, in the case of France anyway, where decisive.

    The war of 1812 was an ill conceived attempt for a modest emerging country to assert itself on the world stage, but it was a bit early, and the consequences were not not so favorable to the young republic, and included the burning down of Washington and the flight of the then government there, and also the lack of achievement of the original war aims, for the most part.

    Does that sound like victory to you? Maybe. If you have been raised on US textbooks, it probably does.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ganesh View Post
    It might be a good idea to brush up on your history Peter, if you like posting on such forums.

    Britain conceded the revolutionary war to the American colonists, partly because there was very little public support for a war that was considered one of brother against brother, and perhaps more importantly, it was skewing trade, and hence the profits to be made if peace were to be re-established.

    It was also conceded, importantly, due to the intervention of France and Spain, the other two superpowers of the time, whose efforts, in the case of France anyway, where decisive.

    The war of 1812 was an ill conceived attempt for a modest emerging country to assert itself on the world stage, but it was a bit early, and the consequences were not not so favorable to the young republic, and included the burning down of Washington and the flight of the then government there, and also the lack of achievement of the original war aims, for the most part.

    Does that sound like victory to you? Maybe. If you have been raised on US textbooks, it probably does.
    So, in other words, Britain lost the American Revolutionary war in 1776 and they lost the war of 1812 to.... the United States.

    Everything else you're saying are merely notional excuses. America won the wars, that's the indisputable fact, proven by the fact that we exist today as a nation.

    We've been kicking butt since day one.

    And if we're going to indulge in conjecture, I would submit to you that had the United States NOT won the two wars in question, then Canada and India would never have gained their own independence from the Brits. The American Revolution set in motion a chain of events that led to the end of the British Empire.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    So, in other words, Britain lost the American Revolutionary war in 1776 and they lost the war of 1812 to.... the United States.

    Everything else you're saying are merely notional excuses. America won the wars, that's the indisputable fact, proven by the fact that we exist today as a nation.
    Given that the War of 1812 started with an abysmal failure of an invasion of Canada by the US and Canada still exists today as a nation, I'd say the US lost. Nice try, and good timing with the British being occupied with Napoleon in Europe and all, but it didn't work out well for yis. Still, there's the Battle of New Orleans to console yourselves with- happened after the war was over but take what you can get out of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We've been kicking butt since day one.

    And if we're going to indulge in conjecture, I would submit to you that had the United States NOT won the two wars in question, then Canada and India would never have gained their own independence from the Brits. The American Revolution set in motion a chain of events that led to the end of the British Empire.
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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Given that the War of 1812 started with an abysmal failure of an invasion of Canada by the US and Canada still exists today as a nation, I'd say the US lost. Nice try, and good timing with the British being occupied with Napoleon in Europe and all, but it didn't work out well for yis. Still, there's the Battle of New Orleans to console yourselves with- happened after the war was over but take what you can get out of it.
    Yes, and they burned down the whitehouse back then... It was painted brown before that.

    Oh, and Canada would have had up to the 52nd parallel, except they got the Canadians drunk and brought them 3 extra degrees north.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Given that the War of 1812 started with an abysmal failure of an invasion of Canada by the US and Canada still exists today as a nation, I'd say the US lost. Nice try, and good timing with the British being occupied with Napoleon in Europe and all, but it didn't work out well for yis. Still, there's the Battle of New Orleans to console yourselves with- happened after the war was over but take what you can get out of it.
    Silly Canadian.

    The War of 1812 didn't start over Canada. It can best be seen as a part of the Napoleonic Wars.

    The US declared war with Great Britain because they were kidnapping Americans and forcing them to become British soldiers to fight Napoleon, they were illegally blockading American trade ships in the Atlantic sending supplies to Napoleon, and because the Brits were trying to prevent American westward expansion by arming the Indian tribes, trying to set up an Indian buffer state in the West.

    This was done because the Brits were trying to maintain their commercial superiority to the Americans, they didn't want us to expand westward and they didn't want us to trade with the French.

    During the war, Brits occupied part of Maine, and the Americans occupied part of Canada since Canada at that time was a British colony. At the war's end, borders returned to what they were before, and the Americans pushed westward having thwarted British attempts to contain us.

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