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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    True, in a way. Still a lot of political, financial, and legal barriers between the countries though.
    True but id prefer leaving the political out of the mix. EU is feeling much the same these days.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Why do you say that?

    In my opinion, the reason it won't happen anytime soon is because of rural, rightwing Americans. I think you could sell the benefits to Canadians and urban, educated Americans in the north.
    What benefits? How would a Canadian benefit from it? As a dual citizen....I look at my Canadian family and friends and shake my head each time I see them adopting/embracing something more American.....I pray Canada never loses it's identity, it's freedom, it's hospitality. The grass is not greener on the other side!

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I'm pretty sure the majority of Americans and Canadians will be against this idea.... however I'd like to put it out there for discussion.

    Unless you're living under a rock, you know that there exists such a thing as the European Union. In it, several European countries have come together to form a bloc in which they share a common currency, certain branches of government, in which there is a free flow of people, and they are working toward a mutual defense system.


    I will lay out a case why I think such a union between the United States and Canada could be beneficial to both parties, and could work better than even the EU.


    1.) Cultural similarities - Both countries speak English as their first language. The way they talk are virtually indistinguishable from one another. Vancouver and Seattle have more in common with each other, culturally, than either one does with Birmingham Alabama, for example. Toronto and Buffalo have more in common than either has with Dallas.

    This is not the case in the EU, and their union still works. USA and Canada are a natural cultural fit.


    2.) National Defense - Today, we have NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command) which essentially serves to link up the United States and Canada as one unit when it comes to the defense of our continent from foreign invasions. Canada benefits from the US' huge military providing security, and the US benefits from the early warning and defense from the north by, potentially, the Russians or others.

    The EU has no such defense agreement, but their union still works. Norad has existed and worked well for both countries since 1956.


    3.) Alaska - The only way to get to Alaska is to drive through or fly over Canada. It helps to be able to get to and access your own territories freely.


    4.) Economy - Canada is extremely blessed with natural resources. At least equal to that of the United States. Russia is more blessed than either one. The only way Canada or the US can match the Russians is to combine forces.

    Here's a breakdown:

    CANADA -

    Proven oil reserves: 173.9 billion barrels
    Proven gas reserves: 70 trillion cubic feet
    Proven coal reserves: 7.8 billion tons

    Energy portfolio... total value: $20.2 trillion



    Metal and ore reserves... $1 trillion


    Reserves composition (value):

    79% Potash
    6% Iron ore
    5% Nickel
    3% Gold
    3% Copper
    1% Zinc
    1% Platinum (PGM)

    Years of production: 56




    UNITED STATES -

    Proven oil reserves: 35 billion barrels
    Proven gas reserves: 300 trillion cubic feet
    Proven coal reserves: 237 billion tons

    Energy portfolio.... total value: $28.5 trillion


    Metal and ore reserves... $613 billion

    Reserves composition (value):

    20% Copper
    19% Iron Ore
    12% Gold
    5% Platinum (PGM)
    4% Zinc
    3% Potash

    Years of production: 44



    RUSSIA -

    Proven oil reserves: 87 billion barrels
    Proven gas reserves: 1,163 trillion cubic feet
    Proven coal reserves: 157 billion tons

    Energy portfolio.... total value: $40.7 trillion


    Metal and ore reserves... $1.63 trillion

    Reserves composition (value):

    49% Iron ore
    20% Potash
    14% Platinum (PGM)
    8% Gold
    5% Nickel
    4% Copper

    Years of production: 99



    So you can see, the only way the US or Canada can match Russia as far as resources go is to combine forces, in which case we surpass the Russians.

    So this benefits the Americans on the global stage. On the other hand, the US is blessed with a large, educated, and industrial population and we have the largest GDP in the world by a long shot. Canada could benefit greatly from free American investment minus all the legal and currency hurdles that exist today.



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    What do you think? Would you be in favor of the USA and Canada joining forces, or is it better to continue as is?


    You have tried that twice before, 1776 and 1812 or thereabouts and we rather forcefully and with some great loss of American lives said "no thanks."

    You are completely wrong about cultural values. Canadians DO NOT speak English as a first language, 35% speak French as thei first and sometimes only language, to et anywhere here you have to speak both.

    There is NO cultural connection beyond the media. If any American want to try to understand that try reading a Canadian philosopher named John Ralston Saul John Ralston Saul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    We are about as similar as blackberries and roses. The US was founded on war, spends a good majority of its income on war and war machines, while Canada spends its money on health care and social programs. Americans arm themselves against each other, Canadians arm peacekeepers and look out for one another. We deplore your violence and racism and you would NOT like how we deal with people who want to walk around with a gun. You would not like our policing as we watched in horror the military equipment rolled out against your own citizens, an appalling display of fear.

    The US is divided along race, black white, and political, lines a growing schism leading to more and more violence in the streets. In Canada we never refer to race, but nationality, we have no red people, yellow people, black people, brown people, or white people, we have Canadians, a land where there has never been a race riot, we riot over the very important things in life, hockey.

    While you tout Norad, Canadians are increasingly questioning our traditional role with Amerika, especially in light of the fact you've been killing and bombing people for 14 years and now have Iraq V3.0 with another 5 to 15 years of war there.

    Canadians have a higher standard of living than the US, better education, better health care, and we get along, Asians, Indians, Africans and even], gasp!, Muslims. Why would we want to give that up so Americans can have access to our resources?

    Please keep out.
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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    You have tried that twice before, 1776 and 1812 or thereabouts and we rather forcefully and with some great loss of American lives said "no thanks."

    You are completely wrong about cultural values. Canadians DO NOT speak English as a first language, 35% speak French as thei first and sometimes only language, to et anywhere here you have to speak both.

    There is NO cultural connection beyond the media. If any American want to try to understand that try reading a Canadian philosopher named John Ralston Saul John Ralston Saul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    We are about as similar as blackberries and roses. The US was founded on war, spends a good majority of its income on war and war machines, while Canada spends its money on health care and social programs. Americans arm themselves against each other, Canadians arm peacekeepers and look out for one another. We deplore your violence and racism and you would NOT like how we deal with people who want to walk around with a gun. You would not like our policing as we watched in horror the military equipment rolled out against your own citizens, an appalling display of fear.

    The US is divided along race, black white, and political, lines a growing schism leading to more and more violence in the streets. In Canada we never refer to race, but nationality, we have no red people, yellow people, black people, brown people, or white people, we have Canadians, a land where there has never been a race riot, we riot over the very important things in life, hockey.

    While you tout Norad, Canadians are increasingly questioning our traditional role with Amerika, especially in light of the fact you've been killing and bombing people for 14 years and now have Iraq V3.0 with another 5 to 15 years of war there.

    Canadians have a higher standard of living than the US, better education, better health care, and we get along, Asians, Indians, Africans and even], gasp!, Muslims. Why would we want to give that up so Americans can have access to our resources?

    Please keep out.
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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by straykatz View Post
    What benefits? How would a Canadian benefit from it? As a dual citizen....I look at my Canadian family and friends and shake my head each time I see them adopting/embracing something more American.....I pray Canada never loses it's identity, it's freedom, it's hospitality. The grass is not greener on the other side!


    Most sociologists agree that Canada is moving in the other direction, there is no envy over what is offered south of the border. I know of few dual citizens who have the choice who do not live in Canada.

    Beside who in their right mind would replace the Canadian medical system with Obamacare?
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