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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    How on earth have I illustrated in any way I "identify more with the Canadian culture"? Link to the exact post please, or I will assume, as per usual, that you extricated that moronic statement directly from your own ass.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Why do you say that?

    In my opinion, the reason it won't happen anytime soon is because of rural, rightwing Americans. I think you could sell the benefits to Canadians and urban, educated Americans in the north.
    So what you're inferring here (unintentionally perhaps?) is that if you love your country and live in a rural area you're a dumb ass?

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I'm pretty sure the majority of Americans and Canadians will be against this idea.... however I'd like to put it out there for discussion.

    Unless you're living under a rock, you know that there exists such a thing as the European Union. In it, several European countries have come together to form a bloc in which they share a common currency, certain branches of government, in which there is a free flow of people, and they are working toward a mutual defense system.


    I will lay out a case why I think such a union between the United States and Canada could be beneficial to both parties, and could work better than even the EU.


    1.) Cultural similarities - Both countries speak English as their first language. The way they talk are virtually indistinguishable from one another. Vancouver and Seattle have more in common with each other, culturally, than either one does with Birmingham Alabama, for example. Toronto and Buffalo have more in common than either has with Dallas.

    This is not the case in the EU, and their union still works. USA and Canada are a natural cultural fit.


    2.) National Defense - Today, we have NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command) which essentially serves to link up the United States and Canada as one unit when it comes to the defense of our continent from foreign invasions. Canada benefits from the US' huge military providing security, and the US benefits from the early warning and defense from the north by, potentially, the Russians or others.

    The EU has no such defense agreement, but their union still works. Norad has existed and worked well for both countries since 1956.


    3.) Alaska - The only way to get to Alaska is to drive through or fly over Canada. It helps to be able to get to and access your own territories freely.


    4.) Economy - Canada is extremely blessed with natural resources. At least equal to that of the United States. Russia is more blessed than either one. The only way Canada or the US can match the Russians is to combine forces.

    Here's a breakdown:

    CANADA -

    Proven oil reserves: 173.9 billion barrels
    Proven gas reserves: 70 trillion cubic feet
    Proven coal reserves: 7.8 billion tons

    Energy portfolio... total value: $20.2 trillion



    Metal and ore reserves... $1 trillion


    Reserves composition (value):

    79% Potash
    6% Iron ore
    5% Nickel
    3% Gold
    3% Copper
    1% Zinc
    1% Platinum (PGM)

    Years of production: 56




    UNITED STATES -

    Proven oil reserves: 35 billion barrels
    Proven gas reserves: 300 trillion cubic feet
    Proven coal reserves: 237 billion tons

    Energy portfolio.... total value: $28.5 trillion


    Metal and ore reserves... $613 billion

    Reserves composition (value):

    20% Copper
    19% Iron Ore
    12% Gold
    5% Platinum (PGM)
    4% Zinc
    3% Potash

    Years of production: 44



    RUSSIA -

    Proven oil reserves: 87 billion barrels
    Proven gas reserves: 1,163 trillion cubic feet
    Proven coal reserves: 157 billion tons

    Energy portfolio.... total value: $40.7 trillion


    Metal and ore reserves... $1.63 trillion

    Reserves composition (value):

    49% Iron ore
    20% Potash
    14% Platinum (PGM)
    8% Gold
    5% Nickel
    4% Copper

    Years of production: 99



    So you can see, the only way the US or Canada can match Russia as far as resources go is to combine forces, in which case we surpass the Russians.

    So this benefits the Americans on the global stage. On the other hand, the US is blessed with a large, educated, and industrial population and we have the largest GDP in the world by a long shot. Canada could benefit greatly from free American investment minus all the legal and currency hurdles that exist today.



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    What do you think? Would you be in favor of the USA and Canada joining forces, or is it better to continue as is?
    I personally think we should make the proposition to Mexico, and to Central and South America. We have more to gain resource and opportunity wise, incorporating new southern states and the Caribbean. I think a United States that encompasses the entirety or a vast majority of the western hemisphere would be a good thing. There are lots of South Americans who probably would look at that proposition with real interest over the potential possibilities. The economic potential gain for everyone would be huge.

    As far as Canada, I don't see them joining the US anytime soon. Maybe after the rest of American continents did.
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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    So what you're inferring here (unintentionally perhaps?) is that if you love your country and live in a rural area you're a dumb ass?
    Nope, but rural Americans do tend to be wearier of outsiders than urban Americans, who are more exposed to other cultures.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    True, in a way. Still a lot of political, financial, and legal barriers between the countries though.
    Yep that's all we need.. Hal Turner to be right about the North American Union.
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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I personally think we should make the proposition to Mexico, and to Central and South America. We have more to gain resource and opportunity wise, incorporating new southern states and the Caribbean. I think a United States that encompasses the entirety or a vast majority of the western hemisphere would be a good thing. There are lots of South Americans who probably would look at that proposition with real interest over the potential possibilities. The economic potential gain for everyone would be huge.

    As far as Canada, I don't see them joining the US anytime soon. Maybe after the rest of American continents did.
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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Nope, but rural Americans do tend to be wearier of outsiders than urban Americans, who are more exposed to other cultures.
    Hmm... I've always found rural folk much more welcoming than city folk.... go figure?

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Hmm... I've always found rural folk much more welcoming than city folk.... go figure?
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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I am stunned beyond reason that this was never answered.

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