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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Alright, let's get this sale underway. Present we have Japan, China, Russia, the US and the European Union. For sale- Canada. The bidding will be in dollars-per-Canadian and opens at $1M. Who'll open the bidding?
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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    So what's the bottom line, dollar-wise? How much would it take for you, for example, to sell out your country?
    Being a bit over-dramatic there? Who said anything at all about "selling out your country."

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Nothing wrong with wanting your country to do well or to work a certain way.
    It doesnt change the fact that Japan is a wealthy nation with few natural resources
    True, but it's completely dependent on the United States, so one has to wonder how sustainable or safe that wealth really is in the long term.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Being a bit over-dramatic there? Who said anything at all about "selling out your country."
    You did. "The USA is the wealthiest country on earth, you don't have to stretch your mind very far to figure out why hitching your wagon on to a winner might be a good idea."
    So money should be enough to make a Canadian want to be an American.
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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    True, but it's completely dependent on the United States, so one has to wonder how sustainable or safe that wealth really is in the long term.
    Most of the western world is basically dependant upon the USA for defence. Many can defend themselves against the smaller powers but who else can deter Russia and China? it is simple a matter of scale.
    Same thing works the other way as well. There are many states that have depended upon Russia/China for their defence.
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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    You did. "The USA is the wealthiest country on earth, you don't have to stretch your mind very far to figure out why hitching your wagon on to a winner might be a good idea."
    So money should be enough to make a Canadian want to be an American.
    I would think that prosperity, security, and personal freedom would be valued by citizens of any country.

    Did your ancestors sell out when they moved to Canada from wherever, or were they just looking for a better deal?

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Most of the western world is basically dependant upon the USA for defence. Many can defend themselves against the smaller powers but who else can deter Russia and China? it is simple a matter of scale.
    Same thing works the other way as well. There are many states that have depended upon Russia/China for their defence.
    That is true, but I wouldn't want to be in their shoes. I wouldn't want to have to depend on the whims of another country for my own security. In my opinion, that's the best thing about being an American.

    The countries of East Asia are a special case (this includes China, Japan, Korea, and smaller economies) because they are ECONOMICALLY dependent on the United States as well. Their economies are based on exports to the US, so much that if their biggest customer (USA) were to stop buying their goods, their entire nations would collapse.

    Again, I wouldn't want to be in that position. We're lucky enough in the United States that we're not entirely dependent on anyone else.... save for maybe the Saudis.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    The US and Canada, despite proximity and many similarities, are still separate cultures with many differences in law and custom.


    In short, no. In particular, I don't think most Canadians would be too keen on the idea, and I can't really blame them.

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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I would think that prosperity, security, and personal freedom would be valued by citizens of any country.

    Did your ancestors sell out when they moved to Canada from wherever, or were they just looking for a better deal?
    You've got an exaggerated opinion of the value of what you're selling- not a good place to be if the folks you're trying to sell to aren't very motivated to buy.
    I've got prosperity, got security, got personal freedom at least equal to yours and my country has a damn-sight brighter future. Canadian children are looking at a lifetime of growth, prosperity and expanding opportunities. You don't have enough of anything left to buy that.
    My ancestors helped make this country and I'm here now. Why would I want to go anywhere else?
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    Re: Should the USA and Canada be one country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That is true, but I wouldn't want to be in their shoes. I wouldn't want to have to depend on the whims of another country for my own security. In my opinion, that's the best thing about being an American.

    The countries of East Asia are a special case (this includes China, Japan, Korea, and smaller economies) because they are ECONOMICALLY dependent on the United States as well. Their economies are based on exports to the US, so much that if their biggest customer (USA) were to stop buying their goods, their entire nations would collapse.

    Again, I wouldn't want to be in that position. We're lucky enough in the United States that we're not entirely dependent on anyone else.... save for maybe the Saudis.
    The US imports twice as much oil from Canada as from Saudi Arabia.
    Net Imports of Total Crude Oil and Products into the U.S. by Country
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