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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Sorry...you will have to do better then that. Post an actual link from a historical site that mentions CIA involvement.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    The fix needs to be internal and regional.
    However the fix cannot happen while ISIS has it's hands on the throat of Iraq. Iraq will not survive without at least the air strikes.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Sorry...you will have to do better then that. Post an actual link from a historical site that mentions CIA involvement.
    Mr Fail,

    Nothing would be good enough for you.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Afghanistan was a "must do" and I think it's winnable over the long term but we have to commit for the long term. Iraq was a war of choice and open to question, but by 2008 it was a victory that BHO has thrown away. US hesitation in Syria and abdication in Iraq brought ISIS into being. Now we have another "must do."
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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Sorry...you will have to do better then that. Post an actual link from a historical site that mentions CIA involvement.
    Tell you what. Name the historical site, whatever the hell that means, and I'll look into it.


    Since the NY Times isn't historical, now Wikipedia, nor UPI, lol.


    Failed debate tactic is failing.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Tell you what. Name the historical site, whatever the hell that means, and I'll look into it.


    Since the NY Times isn't historical, now Wikipedia, nor UPI, lol.


    Failed debate tactic is failing.
    An article that names David Wise as an authority is not to be taken seriously.
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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    However the fix cannot happen while ISIS has it's hands on the throat of Iraq. Iraq will not survive without at least the air strikes.
    your opinion is that the current plan will result in a victory over IS and a stable Iraq? if not, what do you support doing, and where is the regional historical evidence that it will work? how much will it cost? are you willing to pay significantly higher taxes to fund it?

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    An article that names David Wise as an authority is not to be taken seriously.
    Failed debate tactic is still failing.


    That the CIA supported the Baath party rise to power in Iraq is almost common knowledge, especially among people older than, say, 20.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Failed debate tactic is still failing.


    That the CIA supported the Baath party rise to power in Iraq is almost common knowledge, especially among people older than, say, 20.
    I'm not debating and I wouldn't deny it. It was the smart play at the time. I was just pointing out that David Wise is merely a high volume speculator.
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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'm not debating and I wouldn't deny it. It was the smart play at the time. I was just pointing out that David Wise is merely a high volume speculator.
    So are many others. Who we choose to accept as valid or not tends to fall down party lines, which, in my opinion, is asinine.

    At the end of the day, we know only what we are told, unless we WORKED for the CIA in the 60s. Me? I'll believe the photo of Saddam shaking hands with american leadership.

    All of this, this entire mess in the middle east has been going on for centuries. It sounds cruel, and maybe it makes me an empathy lacking son of a bitch, but I wish we could just take all of their oil, and forget every last one of those cock suckers, including Israel. Forget them, let them continue murdering each other in God's name. I'm sick of it. To the point of wanting Mecca AND Jerusalem destroyed, cratered, turned into a giant parking lot.


    When my children fight and bicker over a toy, even after I repeatedly tell them to stop, I take the toy away. Simple as that.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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