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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    My ignorance? What the hell are you talking about?
    Blind hyper-partisanship.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Is the left still pushing that corny fantasy that the US/CIA installed Saddam in power in Iraq?
    We helped the Ba'ath Party rise to power, out of which came Saddam. We also had a chance to stop Iraq's invasion of Kuwait with diplomacy, but political appointments left an idiot as ambassador to Iraq.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    It was not broken until we failed to leave a contingent of troops behind to guarantee the peace as we did in Germany and Japan. And again when Obama failed to stop ISIS in Syria.
    Maybe if we declare war, we can think about "leaving a contingent of troops behind", but also thinking that the cohesive populations of Germany and Japan can be likened to the fractured populations of ethnicities and religious sects in Iraq; then you are sorely mistaken.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Blind hyper-partisanship.
    Well, not blind. And not hyper. But you keep making wrong assumptions, OK.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Well, not blind. And not hyper. But you keep making wrong assumptions, OK.
    Blind and hyper both, yes. But you keep being blind to the world around you, OK.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Blind and hyper both, yes. But you keep being blind to the world around you, OK.
    So you think this is an awesome idea to dive back into the ME and waste billions for what?

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Well, I can see the West stepping in to prevent any new holocaust for moral reasons but not intervene in the actual civil war. I would find that acceptable.
    That is basically what we are doing in Iraq now.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We helped the Ba'ath Party rise to power, out of which came Saddam. We also had a chance to stop Iraq's invasion of Kuwait with diplomacy, but political appointments left an idiot as ambassador to Iraq.
    No...actually we did not....but feel free to attempt to back up your assertion that we did.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Maybe if we declare war, we can think about "leaving a contingent of troops behind", but also thinking that the cohesive populations of Germany and Japan can be likened to the fractured populations of ethnicities and religious sects in Iraq; then you are sorely mistaken.
    That's the point. When we go to war, we should declare war.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement, given the recent events with ISIS and current status of Afghanistan, that you did before?

    Think back to your opinion when Bush II first invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. Think back to when Obama withdrew from Iraq. Think about the current alleged wind down in Afghanistan. Doesn't really matter what your opinion was, just ask yourself if you feel the same now as you did then. And why do you feel the same or differently.

    Please elaborate.
    I'm of the same view from the war in Iraq forward. A significant number of people there are deeply anti-American, dangerous and are willing to do anything including commit suicide if it means they get to kill Americans in the process. We need to wash our hands of them and to quote Newt Gingrich:

    “We’re not going to fix Afghanistan [I'll expand it to the entire region]. It’s not possible. These are people who have spent several thousand years hating foreigners." “There’s some problems where what you have to do is say ‘You know, you’re going to have to figure out how to live your own miserable life because I’m not here, you clearly don’t want to hear from me how to be un miserable,”


    Unfortunately we can't right now because America is addicted to petroleum and many cannot muster up the faith in American ingenuity improving once we get behind it just like HDTVs, cell phones, digital cameras and PCs did or can agree to cooperate with their fellow Americans in advancing electric cars because to them an environmentalist is a worse enemy of American than a Jihadist. It seems they'd much rather fire off $1.5 million each cruise missiles on the terrorists as the exclusive solution than to also bankrupt them as well by giving Americans a $7,500 tax-credit for a car that doesn't need oil and fight the War on Terror on all fronts, including economically.
    Having opinions all over the map is a good sign of a person capable of autonomous thinking. Felix -2011

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