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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Can you tell me if groupthinking up a non-existent WMD case in order to sell a war to congress and the American public that cost hundreds of thousands of lives and $1 trillion U.S. taxpayer dollars qualifies as idiocy? Because if it does I have a long list of candidates for idiot:
    You mean the ones Hillary, Reid, Pelosi, Allbright, Kerry, Gore, and many other prominent democrats insisted were there long before Bush became president? BTW....son...they were not non-existent. The weapons in question were located and documented by the first group of inspectors after the 1991 war and admitted to by the Saddam Regime. They were unaccounted for in the long lead up to the 2003 war. The regime was supposed to destroy them in a manner that the UN inspectors could verify. And some of them were located after the 2003 invasion. Just not the massive stockpiles expected.

    George Bush, Dick Cheney, "Scooter" Libby, Karl Rove, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Richard Perle.... Do any of these people qualify as "idiots" in your non-partisan opinion?
    Yes....in my opinion Karl Rove is an idiot. He is one of the main reasons the republicans have run to uncharismatic geriatric RINOS (McCain and Romney) against Obama.

    Do you feel better now?

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    Nice dance, but you'll have to answer my question above if you want a response.


    So you don't think that the elderly and disabled are as brave as a healthy 18-year-old? That's both patronizing and insulting to them.


    I realize it seems threatening, but conservatives don't have a monopoly on policing thought. You'll get over it.
    Sorry. We are done. I just can't take you seriously.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Sorry. We are done. I just can't take you seriously.
    That's okay; you never managed to say anything I could take seriously.
    I fight against the ignorant, irresponsible, and/or closed-minded.
    This group is the worst enemy of America and its freedoms. It includes, but is not limited to, all Trump supporters.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    You mean the ones Hillary, Reid, Pelosi, Allbright, Kerry, Gore, and many other prominent democrats insisted were there long before Bush became president?
    So much for non-partisanship, eh? But the fact is Bush was the one who wanted Saddam Hussein removed from power, and the neocons in his administration made it their mission in life to make it happen. They did, and now, $1.7 trillion or whatever and change later, Iraqis and U.S. veterans (the ones who didn't die) and their families are paying the price. Meanwhile, these guys are back on Fox once again tossing peanuts from their gallery at Obama on Syria. But when they're asked about whether they bear any responsibility for getting us involved in a war that cost untold Iraqi lives and the lives of 4,500 U.S. servicemen and women their mea culpa is "Oops! We goofed! We thought he still had weapons" or "Our detractors just don't like Jews." (Richard Perle: Don't Blame Neocons for Iraq Crisis)

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    BTW....son...they were not non-existent. The weapons in question were located and documented by the first group of inspectors after the 1991 war and admitted to by the Saddam Regime. They were unaccounted for in the long lead up to the 2003 war. The regime was supposed to destroy them in a manner that the UN inspectors could verify. And some of them were located after the 2003 invasion. Just not the massive stockpiles expected.
    The Bush Administration in the Fall of 2002 seemed to believe there was some urgency to invading Iraq. They agitated for a congressional authorization to do just that based on the idea that Iraq was seeking to develop nuclear weapons once again even though Bush's CIA never prepared a National Intelligence Estimate concerning the Iraq threat. And the International Atomic Energy Agency, which had supervised the dismantling of Iraq's nuclear program in the aftermath of the First Gulf War, stated in its 1998 report to the UN Security Council that there was no evidence that Iraq possessed even the capability to produce weapons-grade nuclear materials in any significant quantity (The IAEA in IRAQ: Past Activities and Findings).

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Do you feel better now?
    I'll feel better if you put aside your hatred of Obama for a minute and just admit (like I did) that, where it concerns the invasion of Iraq, we were all snowed and now they're back at it again. It's just too bad Bush listened to them instead of his generals. My father said cynically just before the First Gulf War, "The veterans' hospitals are empty. It's time to fill them up again."
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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    Bottom line: if you're willing to put someone else through something that you're not willing to go through yourself, you are a piece of fecal matter.
    I'm not willing to personally go and fight crime. Am I therefore a piece of fecal matter for supporting the existence of a police force?
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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    So.... post it again.....if you can.
    Quite being lazy, it's posted in this thread.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    I'm not willing to personally go and fight crime. Am I therefore a piece of fecal matter for supporting the existence of a police force?
    We can't choose whether to fight local crime; nobody opposes anyone's efforts to do so. We can choose whether to fight a particular war.
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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    So much for non-partisanship, eh? But the fact is Bush was the one who wanted Saddam Hussein removed from power, and the neocons in his administration made it their mission in life to make it happen. They did, and now, $1.7 trillion or whatever and change later, Iraqis and U.S. veterans (the ones who didn't die) and their families are paying the price. Meanwhile, these guys are back on Fox once again tossing peanuts from their gallery at Obama on Syria. But when they're asked about whether they bear any responsibility for getting us involved in a war that cost untold Iraqi lives and the lives of 4,500 U.S. servicemen and women their mea culpa is "Oops! We goofed! We thought he still had weapons" or "Our detractors just don't like Jews." (Richard Perle: Don't Blame Neocons for Iraq Crisis)
    Nice try, however it was Bill Clinton who made regime change in Iraq "official administration policy" before he left office. And there is nothing partisan by me in giving you a list of democrat who insisted long before Bush ever ran for president that the Saddam regime had wmds. After all, you seem to be pushing the fantasy that it was all Bush's idea. Even Hillary was sounding the war drums.



    The Bush Administration in the Fall of 2002 seemed to believe there was some urgency to invading Iraq. They agitated for a congressional authorization to do just that based on the idea that Iraq was seeking to develop nuclear weapons once again even though Bush's CIA never prepared a National Intelligence Estimate concerning the Iraq threat. And the International Atomic Energy Agency, which had supervised the dismantling of Iraq's nuclear program in the aftermath of the First Gulf War, stated in its 1998 report to the UN Security Council that there was no evidence that Iraq possessed even the capability to produce weapons-grade nuclear materials in any significant quantity (The IAEA in IRAQ: Past Activities and Findings).
    I suggest that you study the history again. Nearly every intelligence service in the free world concluded that Iraq had wmds. A couple nations (france and Germany) played it down in the months leading up to the war...only because they profiting from back room deals with the regime in the midst of the oil for food/medicine scandal going on under the eyes of the UN.



    I'll feel better if you put aside your hatred of Obama for a minute and just admit (like I did) that, where it concerns the invasion of Iraq, we were all snowed and now they're back at it again. It's just too bad Bush listened to them instead of his generals. My father said cynically just before the First Gulf War, "The veterans' hospitals are empty. It's time to fill them up again."
    Son....I dislike Obama, however I harbor no hatred of him. He's not worth it. And Bush very much listened to his generals. It's Obama who is not doing so.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    We can't choose whether to fight local crime; nobody opposes anyone's efforts to do so. We can choose whether to fight a particular war.
    Are you sure about that first part? I'm sure there are more than a few anarchists who oppose the existence of even local police forces, and libertarians/anarcho-capitalists who think that crime fighting should be privatized.

    Furthermore, that's not the issue. You're making the fallacious assertion that someone who supports foreign intervention has no integrity unless they themselves are willing to fight. There are numerous issues with the chickenhawk argument; the fact that it automatically excludes any support for the existence of police, border guards, firefighters, etc. unless the people who support them would risk having skin in the game is merely one of its problems.
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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Are you sure about that first part? I'm sure there are more than a few anarchists who oppose the existence of even local police forces, and libertarians/anarcho-capitalists who think that crime fighting should be privatized.
    The number of such individuals is too small to care about. Their influence in public policy certainly is.

    Furthermore, that's not the issue. You're making the fallacious assertion that someone who supports foreign intervention has no integrity unless they themselves are willing to fight. There are numerous issues with the chickenhawk argument; the fact that it automatically excludes any support for the existence of police, border guards, firefighters, etc. unless the people who support them would risk having skin in the game is merely one of its problems.
    It's very much the issue, because you made the fallacious comparison between crime fighting and war.

    The chickenhawk argument applies only to supporting a military action outside US territory. I don't know of anyone besides you who tries to apply it elsewhere.
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    This group is the worst enemy of America and its freedoms. It includes, but is not limited to, all Trump supporters.

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