View Poll Results: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You want a military not controlled by civilians? You do realize a military that doesn't answer to civilian authority is a bad idea, right?
    FWIW, in every Presidential election in my lifetime, going back to 1945, at least one candidate served in the military, until 2012. Civilian control of the military is one thing but it is helpful when the civilian has some understanding of the military.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    Civilian control of the military is one thing but it is helpful when the civilian has some understanding of the military.
    Civilian control of the military goes beyond the President.

    Everyone has a right to geopolitical positions, regardless of having served or not. The old "if you are not volunteering right now, you cannot advocate military action" is clearly a weak-minded retreat from debate. Might as well claim "if you are not trying out for the Dolphins, you cannot comment on what they should do".

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Civilian control of the military goes beyond the President.

    Everyone has a right to geopolitical positions, regardless of having served or not. The old "if you are not volunteering right now, you cannot advocate military action" is clearly a weak-minded retreat from debate. Might as well claim "if you are not trying out for the Dolphins, you cannot comment on what they should do".
    Of course that has nothing to do with what I wrote. I simply prefer that someone have some knowledge about the military, either gained through service or through academic study. I worry about dilettantes who have zero knowledge about the philosophy of warfare making decisions. Obama is famous for thinking that he could do any job better than the person that he has doing that job. Such hubris is not conducive to effective policy decisions.
    If you know nothing about football you probably should not comment about what the Dolphins should do. You don't have to have tried out. Condoleeza Rice probably would make a good commissioner simply due to her interest even if she never played football.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    Of course that has nothing to do with what I wrote.
    I don't remember requesting that you interrupt my comment to someone else.

    I object to the nonsense often spewed by some to the effect of "if you are not volunteering, you cannot support military action".

    I, of course, recognize the benefit of experience; there's no need for such a platitude.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement, given the recent events with ISIS and current status of Afghanistan, that you did before?

    Think back to your opinion when Bush II first invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. Think back to when Obama withdrew from Iraq. Think about the current alleged wind down in Afghanistan. Doesn't really matter what your opinion was, just ask yourself if you feel the same now as you did then. And why do you feel the same or differently.

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    Yes I do. I was still a mistake to recklessly invade these countries, especially Iraq. It was our imperialistic overreach that opened the door for ISIS. The question is will we learn form or mistake or keep making it?

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Have always been against direct military involvement in the Middle East and I still believe that.


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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You want a military not controlled by civilians? You do realize a military that doesn't answer to civilian authority is a bad idea, right?
    What makes you think I'd want that? I'm perfectly happy with the structure of a civilian Commander in Chief, thank you.
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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Setting aside that you completely missed the point made and went straight to ad hominem and then charged off to a different subject, I will wish you a pleasant day.
    Ad hominem!?!? Ok, well thank you for that, but do remember that you are the one that rushed me with the accusation of dishonesty to begin with. Otherwise, you and I wouldn't even be speaking!
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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes I do. I was still a mistake to recklessly invade these countries, especially Iraq. It was our imperialistic overreach that opened the door for ISIS. The question is will we learn form or mistake or keep making it?
    Well of course we'll keep making them because these types of "mistakes" are beneficial to some!!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    What makes you think I'd want that? I'm perfectly happy with the structure of a civilian Commander in Chief, thank you.
    It's not only okay for the President. It's okay for any civilian to comment on military action and support any position therein.

    "If you don't volunteer, you cannot support military action" is pathetic BS.

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