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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    it was not erroneous. the Middle East cannot be stabilized by external military force. and most of the neoconservatives who see to think it can are not willing to pay more in taxes to fund the endless state of war, so the argument is pointless anyway.
    Feel free to pay extra taxes if you like.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    I make a positive contribution to society, which is more than enough to earn that right.
    Ah. I thought you were a veteran by the way you posted.
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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    I don't really care how they look at it. There is nothing holy about ISIS or terrorism.
    it is a conflict between Sunni and Shia which has been going on for more than a thousand years. there is no role for the US in this holy war.

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    There are no guarantees. Some of it has to be a persons own initiative.
    ah, the bootstraps argument. i have no interest in this argument, as it is too simplistic to solve our current employment problems.

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    Not external force alone, but external force is sometimes necessary. Kuwait seems to be doing fine.
    this decade it is. there are areas of stability in the Middle East. they should address the areas of instability in the region.

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    We left them on their own and they ended up under communism. We stopped supporting them militarily and financially. The Soviets continued military and financial support to the north Vietnamese. Imagine if we had left Europe on it's own to deal with Hitler.
    as i've previously explained, the current Middle East is not analogous to twentieth century Europe. I will not explain this again the next time you Godwin.

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    We are in agreement on the electrical grid.
    i like that we have some points of agreement even though we are diametrically opposed on the central point. at least we can agree on part of it.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    The Ottomans were right next door and had hugely better technology. Neither advantage applies today.

    And remember what Bismarck said: "You can do anything with a bayonet but sit on it."
    The bayonet quote is from Metternich. Our technology is hugely better than that of anyone else in the ME except the Israelis.
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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    it was not erroneous. the Middle East cannot be stabilized by external military force. and most of the neoconservatives who see to think it can are not willing to pay more in taxes to fund the endless state of war, so the argument is pointless anyway.
    Of course it was erroneous. The Turks did what you said could not be done. As for taxes, I agree that failure to raise taxes was GWB's worst mistake. I would support a tax increase today.
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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Feel free to pay extra taxes if you like.
    everyone should pay extra taxes when the country is at war.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Of course it was erroneous. The Turks did what you said could not be done. As for taxes, I agree that failure to raise taxes was GWB's worst mistake. I would support a tax increase today.
    it failed, as empires tend to do.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    it failed, as empires tend to do.

    In total their empire lasted around 600-700 years. Few have done better.
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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    And what if John is handicapped or past the age of enlistment? To put it as lightly as I can, your suggestion that one cannot morally support a military action unless he/she is willing to put on a uniform and go join in the fighting impractical, small minded, and unrealistic.
    Clearly you missed the part about "with or without the military."

    Whether Joe is disabled or too old to enlist isn't the point, either. The only thing that matters is whether Joe is willing to fight regardless of his physical condition. If he believes in the worthiness of the action, he should be. Simple as that.

    And using your logic, your buddy, Obama is a chickenhawk.
    He may or may not be. Since I'm not his "buddy," he doesn't let me in on his deepest thoughts and feelings.

    My handle is an expression of how most Americans see Obamacare. You will get over it.
    Again, not the point. The point was the underlying hypocrisy on your part.
    I fight against the ignorant, irresponsible, and/or closed-minded.
    This group is the worst enemy of America and its freedoms. It includes, but is not limited to, all Trump supporters.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Ah. I thought you were a veteran by the way you posted.
    Either way, don't try to resurrect the myth that veterans are somehow more qualified to debate topics like these.
    I fight against the ignorant, irresponsible, and/or closed-minded.
    This group is the worst enemy of America and its freedoms. It includes, but is not limited to, all Trump supporters.

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