View Poll Results: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement

Voters
60. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes, I still feel the same.

    30 50.00%
  • It's complicated.

    17 28.33%
  • No, I have switched my thoughts.

    5 8.33%
  • The whole thing makes my head hurt.

    8 13.33%
Page 29 of 39 FirstFirst ... 192728293031 ... LastLast
Results 281 to 290 of 382

Thread: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

  1. #281
    Traveler

    Jack Hays's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Williamsburg, Virginia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:58 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,795
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    and it didn't work.

    so, in your opinion, we should occupy the Middle East for five hundred years? how much extra in taxes are you willing to pay to fund that occupation? also, what does that look like?
    I was merely replying to your erroneous assertion the the Middle East cannot be pacified by external force by pointing out that it has been done before. It worked very well for 500 years. I have little interest in the discussion beyond seeing to it that factual accuracy is respected.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

  2. #282
    Why so un**great?
    DifferentDrummr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Facepalm Beach
    Last Seen
    06-04-17 @ 04:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    5,818
    Blog Entries
    3

    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    And what right have you earned to be disgusted by anyone?
    I make a positive contribution to society, which is more than enough to earn that right.
    I fight against the ignorant, irresponsible, and/or closed-minded.
    This group is the worst enemy of America and its freedoms. It includes, but is not limited to, all Trump supporters.

  3. #283
    Sage
    ObamacareFail's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    Earth
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:33 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    15,977

    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    they look at it that way, and have looked at it that way since 632. we have no role in this war.
    I don't really care how they look at it. There is nothing holy about ISIS or terrorism.

    a compromise position would be to look at what we need people to do, and then ensure that they have free access to higher education and job training. after they complete their education / training, guarantee them a job, public or private.
    There are no guarantees. Some of it has to be a persons own initiative.

    i don't believe that the Middle East can be stabilized through any amount of external military force.
    Not external force alone, but external force is sometimes necessary. Kuwait seems to be doing fine.

    i don't believe that Vietnam could have been made into a democracy via external military force, either.
    We left them on their own and they ended up under communism. We stopped supporting them militarily and financially. The Soviets continued military and financial support to the north Vietnamese. Imagine if we had left Europe on it's own to deal with Hitler.

    what i support is innovating several alternatives privately and publicly. in the interim, we need to massively upgrade our electrical grid. this is a good way to put people to work, too.
    We are in agreement on the electrical grid.

  4. #284
    Why so un**great?
    DifferentDrummr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Facepalm Beach
    Last Seen
    06-04-17 @ 04:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    5,818
    Blog Entries
    3

    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    I disgust you? Do grow up. I served in the military and was willing to go anywhere they sent me. It is asinine to suggest that one cannot morally support a military action without expressing a willingness to suit up and join the fight. Does that include the handicapped and elderly? Would you like to send your grandma and grandpa to war? How about a pregnant sister. Everyone is entitled to have whatever opinion they choose regarding war. Chickenhawk is a very childish term used by liberals who cannot make their points intellectually.
    My reference was to the abstract 'you,' not you specifically, Mr. Fail.
    I fight against the ignorant, irresponsible, and/or closed-minded.
    This group is the worst enemy of America and its freedoms. It includes, but is not limited to, all Trump supporters.

  5. #285
    Why so un**great?
    DifferentDrummr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Facepalm Beach
    Last Seen
    06-04-17 @ 04:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    5,818
    Blog Entries
    3

    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I was merely replying to your erroneous assertion the the Middle East cannot be pacified by external force by pointing out that it has been done before. It worked very well for 500 years. I have little interest in the discussion beyond seeing to it that factual accuracy is respected.
    The Ottomans were right next door and had hugely better technology. Neither advantage applies today.

    And remember what Bismarck said: "You can do anything with a bayonet but sit on it."
    I fight against the ignorant, irresponsible, and/or closed-minded.
    This group is the worst enemy of America and its freedoms. It includes, but is not limited to, all Trump supporters.

  6. #286
    Sage
    ObamacareFail's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    Earth
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:33 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    15,977

    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    My reference was to the abstract 'you,' not you specifically, Mr. Fail.
    My point holds. The term "chickenhawk" is small minded and immature....not to mention unrealistic. Or do you expect for instance in my case...a 60 year old with arthritis to run down to the recruiters office and demand to be sent to battle?

  7. #287
    Sage
    Gimmesometruth's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    US Southwest
    Last Seen
    09-13-17 @ 10:22 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    22,405

    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The Ottoman Turks managed it for 500 years.
    Obviously the context is a non-Muslim foreign military. The Ottomans were Muslims reigning over primarily Muslim territories.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

  8. #288
    Why so un**great?
    DifferentDrummr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Facepalm Beach
    Last Seen
    06-04-17 @ 04:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    5,818
    Blog Entries
    3

    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    My point holds. The term "chickenhawk" is small minded and immature....not to mention unrealistic. Or do you expect for instance in my case...a 60 year old with arthritis to run down to the recruiters office and demand to be sent to battle?
    I'm going to put this as simply as I can.

    John Doe is an American citizen. The US is considering military action. Should John support this action?

    If John Doe is willing, in his heart of hearts, to travel over to the action (with or without the military), fight the enemy, and sacrifice his own life, then yes: John should support the cause. If John doesn't feel this way, the only genuine thing left for him to do is oppose the cause.

    However, if John is happy to let a bunch of teenage boys get killed and maimed in country, during which time John stays home chanting "USA! USA!" while driving his SUV and eating pork rinds, then guess what: John is a chickenhawk for "supporting" the war.

    P.S.: Someone whose handle is "obamacarefail" calling any other label "small minded and immature" gives that pot/kettle thing a whole new lease on life.
    I fight against the ignorant, irresponsible, and/or closed-minded.
    This group is the worst enemy of America and its freedoms. It includes, but is not limited to, all Trump supporters.

  9. #289
    Global Moderator
    Moderator
    Helix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:20 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    37,078

    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I was merely replying to your erroneous assertion the the Middle East cannot be pacified by external force by pointing out that it has been done before. It worked very well for 500 years. I have little interest in the discussion beyond seeing to it that factual accuracy is respected.
    it was not erroneous. the Middle East cannot be stabilized by external military force. and most of the neoconservatives who see to think it can are not willing to pay more in taxes to fund the endless state of war, so the argument is pointless anyway.

  10. #290
    Sage
    ObamacareFail's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    Earth
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:33 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    15,977

    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    I'm going to put this as simply as I can.

    John Doe is an American citizen. The US is considering military action. Should John support this action?

    If John Doe is willing, in his heart of hearts, to travel over to the action (with or without the military), fight the enemy, and sacrifice his own life, then yes: John should support the cause. If John doesn't feel this way, the only genuine thing left for him to do is oppose the cause.

    However, if John is happy to let a bunch of teenage boys get killed and maimed in country, during which time John stays home chanting "USA! USA!" while driving his SUV and eating pork rinds, then guess what: John is a chickenhawk for "supporting" the war..
    And what if John is handicapped or past the age of enlistment? To put it as lightly as I can, your suggestion that one cannot morally support a military action unless he/she is willing to put on a uniform and go join in the fighting impractical, small minded, and unrealistic. And using your logic, your buddy, Obama is a chickenhawk.

    P.S.: Someone whose handle is "obamacarefail" calling any other label "small minded and immature" gives that pot/kettle thing a whole new lease on life.
    My handle is an expression of how most Americans see Obamacare. You will get over it.

Page 29 of 39 FirstFirst ... 192728293031 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •