View Poll Results: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    The surge is in fact working in Afghanistan according to the commanders on the battlefield. However in the long run it may not make any difference as the idiot in the white has already telegraphed his punches, loudly declaring when the US troops will pull out.
    The U.S. has been in Afghanistan almost eleven years. It supported a corrupt government in one of the most corrupt countries on the planet and an ill-equipped, inept army of illiterates. It sent in large numbers of conventional troops tasked to win hearts and minds along a frontier in which its relentless, determined adversary was able to blend into the local populace and in which it had safe haven in a neighboring country. This sounds ever so familiar but, sadly, was never a recipe for success. Now we have to suffer the blathering of Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, and the military talking heads on Fox who were notably AWOL for years on Afghanistan once we'd departed to greener pastures in Iraq so that we could declare "Mission accomplished!"
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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    I am aware...however I still do not consider it a holy war. I consider it a war against terrorism.
    it doesn't matter how you decide to categorize it. it is a Middle Eastern holy war.

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    I would simply make able bodied welfare recipients work for their entitlement benefits. It does not matter what kind of work they do. The benefit is that they would decide that if they have to work anyway, they will seek a better paying job. Not every welfare recipient is there because he/she cannot find a job. Some families have been on welfare entitlements/food stamps for as many as four generations.
    i have no problem with a new WPA to rebuild our nation. we should still end these wars.

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    What did not work was the US Congress leaving them on their own before they were ready.
    what happened is that communism could not be prevented through external military force.

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    You have no choice on the wait. The hydrogen fuel cell technology is developed. There are hydrogen powered cars on the road now.....in very small numbers. They will not replace gasoline powered cars until they are cheap enough for the average driver to own them. I agree with government cutting red tape....however red tape in not the biggest issue. Affordability is.
    i really don't care if a new technology is profitable initially. hence, public / private partnerships.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    Age is irrelevant to me. Popular definitions aside, I consider anyone a chickenhawk who is unwilling to pick up a weapon, travel overseas, and fight personally.
    I see. Your goofy opinion is noted. And rejected.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    As long as we're in the realm of stupidity, why not send the Ebola patients from Africa, too?
    Are we paying them massive amounts of welfare too? The hungry and homeless are on the federal payroll (dole in former terms). It is time we got our money's worth.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    because of this comment, our conversation has concluded.
    We could send you too.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    The U.S. has been in Afghanistan almost eleven years. It supported a corrupt government in one of the most corrupt countries on the planet and an ill-equipped, inept army of illiterates. It sent in large numbers of conventional troops tasked to win hearts and minds along a frontier in which its relentless, determined adversary was able to blend into the local populace and in which it had safe haven in a neighboring country. This sounds ever so familiar but, sadly, was never a recipe for success. Now we have to suffer the blathering of Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, and the military talking heads on Fox who were notably AWOL for years on Afghanistan once we'd departed to greener pastures in Iraq so that we could declare "Mission accomplished!"
    That's a very partisan speech. Do try to make the next one something closer to objective. Have a nice weekend.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    it doesn't matter how you decide to categorize it. it is a Middle Eastern holy war.
    Nothing holy about it.

    i have no problem with a new WPA to rebuild our nation.
    I am not for make work jobs. We have too many civil service jobs already. I am in favor of making able bodied welfare recipients work for their benefits. It has been tried by some states at different times with great success. A workfare bill was actually passed during the Clinton administration. However Obama, Reid and Pelosi effective shredded it.

    we should still end these wars.
    Yes....by winning them. Just pulling out the troops will send the wrong message.

    what happened is that communism could not be prevented through external military force.
    Actually in Vietnam it could have. All it would have required was turning the US military and the south Vietnamese army loose and allowing them to win. Putting prime military targets off limits for the sake of peace talks that never produced anything until Nixon finally said "$%^& @#!" and started carpet bombing all prime north Vietnamese military targets and mined Haiphong Harbor is not the way to carry out a war.

    i really don't care if a new technology is profitable initially. hence, public / private partnerships.
    Doesn't matter. It's not going to happen on a large scale until people can buy automobiles powered by hydrogen fuel cells at about the same price they pay for gasoline powered automobiles. That's the reality.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Nothing holy about it.
    they look at it that way, and have looked at it that way since 632. we have no role in this war.

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    I am not for make work jobs. We have too many civil service jobs already. I am in favor of making able bodied welfare recipients work for their benefits. It has been tried by some states at different times with great success. A workfare bill was actually passed during the Clinton administration. However Obama, Reid and Pelosi effective shredded it.
    a compromise position would be to look at what we need people to do, and then ensure that they have free access to higher education and job training. after they complete their education / training, guarantee them a job, public or private.

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Yes....by winning them. Just pulling out the troops will send the wrong message.
    i don't believe that the Middle East can be stabilized through any amount of external military force.

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Actually in Vietnam it could have. All it would have required was turning the US military and the south Vietnamese army loose and allowing them to win. Putting prime military targets off limits for the sake of peace talks that never produced anything until Nixon finally said "$%^& @#!" and started carpet bombing all prime north Vietnamese military targets and mined Haiphong Harbor is not the way to carry out a war.
    i don't believe that Vietnam could have been made into a democracy via external military force, either.

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Doesn't matter. It's not going to happen on a large scale until people can buy automobiles powered by hydrogen fuel cells at about the same price they pay for gasoline powered automobiles. That's the reality.
    what i support is innovating several alternatives privately and publicly. in the interim, we need to massively upgrade our electrical grid. this is a good way to put people to work, too.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post





    i don't believe that the Middle East can be stabilized through any amount of external military force.
    The Ottoman Turks managed it for 500 years.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The Ottoman Turks managed it for 500 years.
    and it didn't work.

    so, in your opinion, we should occupy the Middle East for five hundred years? how much extra in taxes are you willing to pay to fund that occupation? also, what does that look like?

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