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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    GWB's 5 May 2003 statement was a generally accurate summary of the tactical situation, and well in bounds for a POTUS leading a war effort. As for your 4,000 figure, it's nonsense unless you want to claim the US was fighting AQ in Iraq.
    Bull crap, you'll carry George Bush's **** till the cows come home, I realize that. Nevertheless, Al Qaeda continued to be fought throughout the war with attacks going up significantly after that comment of his and peaking in 2006. So he was wrong.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I love appeasement as much as the next guy. Are you related to Neville Chamberlain?
    Are you a chickenhawk?
    I fight against the ignorant, irresponsible, and/or closed-minded.
    This group is the worst enemy of America and its freedoms. It includes, but is not limited to, all Trump supporters.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I love appeasement as much as the next guy. Are you related to Neville Chamberlain?
    i'm someone who recognizes what has not worked and what will not work, and i'm not going to support this same strategy again.

    if we remove ourselves from the region, regional powers will eventually be forced to do their jobs and maintain stability. Saudi Arabia and Iran give us zero help in fighting Mexican drug gangs and narco states. this is their backyard, and it's their responsibility to solve the problem. the US has no role in a Middle Eastern holy war.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Bull crap, you'll carry George Bush's **** till the cows come home, I realize that. Nevertheless, Al Qaeda continued to be fought throughout the war with attacks going up significantly after that comment of his and peaking in 2006. So he was wrong.
    In Afghanistan we fought mostly Taliban after 2002, AQ being mostly dead or hiding in Pakistan. Are you claiming we were fighting AQ in Iraq from 2003 onward? Having been to both countries, I have you at a disadvantage. Your figure of 4,000 KIA inflicted by AQ remains nonsense.
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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Europe is not analogous to the Middle East. the analogy may work in eight hundred years or so, but the Middle East is a completely different situation right now. it cannot be stabilized externally, and especially through external military force..
    I don't totally agree with that. Europe started two world wars in the 20th century. And the Bosnia conflict was not all that long ago. And the present uprising of fanatical islam is relatively recent.

    then perhaps the region should do more about it.
    They should and hopefully they will. However at this point they cannot get it done without our help. At this pong we are the only force preventing a holocaust.



    i don't support sending ground troops or even manned airplanes. we need to exit the conflict and let the region take care of it.
    I ultimately support whatever it takes to end the threat that will eventually end up on our shores as it did on 9/11/01.

    i don't support helping Assad in any way. when i think about my taxes going to fund that, it makes me want to vomit.
    You will just have to keep an air sickness bad handy for now. In the long run I believe Assad is going down. The uprising had a reason.

    we'll probably find that out regardless of what we do. this strategy will not work, and will likely make the problem worse.
    How do you know that. Do you have a military background?

    but let's say theoretically that it does work, and we kill most of Islamic State. another will pop up, just like with Al Qaeda. then we'll be expected to do it again. and again. and again.

    no thanks.
    Perhaps, however it is not quite that simple. Most terrorism including with ISIS is financed by oil profits. That is why the present strategy might work in Syria as we are bombing their portable refineries...of which they are making profits of 2 million dollars a day on the black market. Cull their operating funds and you limit their capabilities. Part of the problem longterm is our addiction to Mideast oil. If the environmentalists in the US would get off our backs...the US could completely wean itself from Mideast oil and stop financing terrorism.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    so you're not willing to pay more in taxes to fund this new war?

    i don't support putting any more wars on the credit card. if it's worth fighting, it's worth funding. wartime tax rates should go into effect every time there is a military action, and these increases should be significant. perhaps then the public would be less complacent about endless war.
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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    Are you a chickenhawk?
    US Army retired. 20 years. And you?

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i'm someone who recognizes what has not worked and what will not work, and i'm not going to support this same strategy again.

    if we remove ourselves from the region, regional powers will eventually be forced to do their jobs and maintain stability. Saudi Arabia and Iran give us zero help in fighting Mexican drug gangs and narco states. this is their backyard, and it's their responsibility to solve the problem. the US has no role in a Middle Eastern holy war.
    I know. And Germany had no designs on Great Britain and France...

    Cowardice seldom saves one.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    US Army retired. 20 years. And you?
    Age is irrelevant to me. Popular definitions aside, I consider anyone a chickenhawk who is unwilling to pick up a weapon, travel overseas, and fight personally.
    I fight against the ignorant, irresponsible, and/or closed-minded.
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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Let's send the homeless and the hungry. This will kill two birds with a single stone.
    As long as we're in the realm of stupidity, why not send the Ebola patients from Africa, too?
    I fight against the ignorant, irresponsible, and/or closed-minded.
    This group is the worst enemy of America and its freedoms. It includes, but is not limited to, all Trump supporters.

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