View Poll Results: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You must be kidding.....they have had a constant war since we invaded. Nothing is worse than war.
    No, sport...they have not. War did not return until ISIS showed up. And personally, I would take war over living under a brutal dictatorship.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    LOL There was nothing stabile about Maliki's tyrannical government. That is why you think we should have stayed against the Iraqi's will I bet. We went to Iraq to free them not put another tyrant in place. They are closer now to stability then when Maliki was anointed by Bush.
    Oh my!

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Perhaps, but the new Iraq government did not seem to excited about the idea else negotiations for our long term occupation would have occured differently. For both Bush 43 and Obama, who wanted entirely different things.
    The Germans and Japanese were not excited at the end of WW2 either. What's your point? When we spill that much blood to liberate a nation, we have a right to stick around long enough to be sure it remains liberated.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    according to Bloomberg, we generally raised rates or added a surtax until recently.

    Bush Breaks 150-Year History of Higher U.S. Taxes in Wartime - Bloomberg

    if you want a constant state of war, you should have to pay more to fund it. shared sacrifice.
    Yes....let's put able bodied welfare recipients to work.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    if we can afford foreverwar, then we can afford social safety nets. i would put social safety nets well above perpetual war on the priority list.
    But then nobody is asking for "foreverwar".

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Only made worse by Bush 43 being asinine enough to go to two wars on the back of tax breaks. Does not help the required deficit financing when you intentionally make poor fiscal decisions based on votes.
    Except that the Bush 43 tax cuts led to an increase in tax revenue....at least until the democrat party caused mortgage market collapse hit.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    George Bush claimed that they were on the run and not a problem anymore in May of 2003 already, long before most people even knew who Barack Obama was. But, Al Qaeda went on to kill another 4,000 US soldiers. In fact, George Bush never did destroy Al Qaeda, they are still alive and well. What a partisan empty shirt.
    They were on the run. And Bush never claimed to have destroyed Al Queda. Bush honestly told America and the world that the fight against terrorism was not going to be a quick victory, it would be fought for years.

    Bush, May 5, 2003: Al Qaeda is on the run. That group of terrorists who attacked our country is slowly, but surely being decimated. Right now, about half of all the top al Qaeda operatives are either jailed or dead. In either case, they’re not a problem anymore.
    About half or more of the top Al Qaeda leadership was either dead or captured before "Hussein" took office. And it is hard to come up with words that quite cover your goofy claim that AL Qaeda is not a problem anymore. That kind of asinine thinking by Obama after OBL was killed is why we are now fighting two extremely dangerous offshoots of Al Qaeda as well as Al Qaeda itself.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    There is a difference between a country and a terrorist group. You cannot declare war on an ideology.
    Sure we can. We declared was on Hitler's Nazi ideology and eventually defeated it.

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    your last point. we can still monitor and intel share. We can improve our defense here at home without killing innocent civilians and creating new enemies.
    The one thing that most wise adults learned from the History of WW2 is that if you isolate yourself from the rest of the world's battles, those battles eventually make it to your shores. I would rather fight terrorism abroad then on the streets in US cities.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    The Germans and Japanese were not excited at the end of WW2 either. What's your point? When we spill that much blood to liberate a nation, we have a right to stick around long enough to be sure it remains liberated.
    Entirely an apples and oranges comparison. The Iraq War and WWII were not started for the same reasons, were not fought the same way, did not end the same way, nor was the concept of occupation and control of defeated nation's resources the same.

    My point is we were not in a political position at the time under Bush 43 or Obama to completely dictate terms of our occupation of Iraq, that is another sounds nice but absent of reality comment you have made. Typical handling of nations where a government is removed then and now is not the same, in some ways that is a problem but is reality.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Except that the Bush 43 tax cuts led to an increase in tax revenue....at least until the democrat party caused mortgage market collapse hit.
    Except that those tax cuts did not generate enough revenue to eclipse spending, going to a couple of wars on those tax breaks did not help the math. In turn Bush 43 (and associated Congresses) ended up making a colossal mistake in fiscal judgement on how to fund going to war.

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