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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Afghanistan was also forced regime change.
    I suppose it was considering that once the Taliban fighters jumped into the fray it meant taking out their leadership, as well as, Al Quada.
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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Let's see...we bombed a group no one has ever heard of (seems they a were about to attack the US) and our secondary target was ISIS command and control centers that seem to still be mostly standing.

    Paint my ass confused.
    Those people were Al Qaeda. But since the Islamofascist supporter on the golf course claimed they were defeated they needed a new name. Cool, no?

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Why of course it is! Combating aggression with aggression never solves anything. That's why the U.S. never should have overreacted like it did on December 7, 1941. Every time U.S. forces killed a Japanese, it just made more Japanese mad at us. If only we had tried to see things their way, I'm sure everything would have been fine.
    Can you name an event equivalent to December 7, 1941? Don't use 9/11, that was Al-Qaeda, this is a different group.
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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Can you name an event equivalent to December 7, 1941? Don't use 9/11, that was Al-Qaeda, this is a different group.
    What's your point? You said, in so many words, that it's foolish to respond to aggression with aggression. You didn't make the time the aggression took place a condition of your claim, although it seems like you're doing that now. Are you now saying that the U.S. should only respond to aggression with aggression at certain times, but not others? If it's foolish to respond that way now, why was it ever any less foolish? Do you let people punch you in the face, as long as they don't do it too hard?

    You mentioned 9/11. I wonder what makes you think this country will be safe from something like that or even worse, if it allows equally depraved jihadists, who want us all dead, to set up another safe haven even better than the one they had fifteen years ago in Afghanistan. Apparently you are content to let these bastards remain there unmolested, with tons of money at their disposal, and hatch all the mass murder plots they please, at their leisure, against us and God knows who else.
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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Those people were Al Qaeda. But since the Islamofascist supporter on the golf course claimed they were defeated they needed a new name. Cool, no?
    George Bush claimed that they were on the run and not a problem anymore in May of 2003 already, long before most people even knew who Barack Obama was. But, Al Qaeda went on to kill another 4,000 US soldiers. In fact, George Bush never did destroy Al Qaeda, they are still alive and well. What a partisan empty shirt.

    Bush, May 5, 2003: Al Qaeda is on the run. That group of terrorists who attacked our country is slowly, but surely being decimated. Right now, about half of all the top al Qaeda operatives are either jailed or dead. In either case, they’re not a problem anymore.
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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    What's your point? You said, in so many words, that it's foolish to respond to aggression with aggression. You didn't make the time the aggression took place a condition of your claim, although it seems like you're doing that now. Are you now saying that the U.S. should only respond to aggression with aggression at certain times, but not others? If it's foolish to respond that way now, why was it ever any less foolish? Do you let people punch you in the face, as long as they don't do it too hard?

    You mentioned 9/11. I wonder what makes you think this country will be safe from something like that or even worse, if it allows equally depraved jihadists, who want us all dead, to set up another safe haven even better than the one they had fifteen years ago in Afghanistan. Apparently you are content to let these bastards remain there unmolested, with tons of money at their disposal, and hatch all the mass murder plots they please, at their leisure, against us and God knows who else.
    There is a difference between a country and a terrorist group. You cannot declare war on an ideology.

    To your last point. we can still monitor and intel share. We can improve our defense here at home without killing innocent civilians and creating new enemies.
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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    George Bush claimed that they were on the run and not a problem anymore in May of 2003 already, long before most people even knew who Barack Obama was. But, Al Qaeda went on to kill another 4,000 US soldiers. In fact, George Bush never did destroy Al Qaeda, they are still alive and well. What a partisan empty shirt.

    Bush, May 5, 2003: Al Qaeda is on the run. That group of terrorists who attacked our country is slowly, but surely being decimated. Right now, about half of all the top al Qaeda operatives are either jailed or dead. In either case, they’re not a problem anymore.
    GWB's 5 May 2003 statement was a generally accurate summary of the tactical situation, and well in bounds for a POTUS leading a war effort. As for your 4,000 figure, it's nonsense unless you want to claim the US was fighting AQ in Iraq.
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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    There is a difference between a country and a terrorist group. You cannot declare war on an ideology.

    To your last point. we can still monitor and intel share. We can improve our defense here at home without killing innocent civilians and creating new enemies.
    They die just the same, whether they call the sandpile they occupy a country, or something else. To hell with them all. And I do not consider many of those civilians in cities like Mosul "innocent." A few thousand yellow mutts don't control a city of several hundred thousand people without their acquiescence at the least, and more likely their active cooperation. To hell with them too. Monitoring and sharing intelligence is not even the beginning of what will be needed to deal with these people.

    The goal of United States foreign policy is not to make people like us--it is to advance the interests of the United States. We're not inviting foreigners to tea. The idea is to show them that we are always willing to be the best of friends, but always ready to be the worst of enemies, if they're foolish enough to want that. And the only enemies that count are the ones who have both the desire and the military capability to harm this country. The rest can go chase themselves.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Those people were Al Qaeda. But since the Islamofascist supporter on the golf course claimed they were defeated they needed a new name. Cool, no?
    More word games, indeed.
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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Social Security pays for itself by law. Are you saying we should do the same with the defense budget?
    I am talking about the welfare entitlement sytem, sport. Nice try though. Carry on.

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