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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well the pentagon, with its various branches of service lost 4,500 soldiers and spent 1-1/2 trillion dollars to fight AQ, yet AQ lives.
    And apparently, you again missed the point I was making.
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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    The middle east has always been chaotic. There has always been war. Even before the Crusades.


    The only reason we give a **** is because they're drowning in oil. No oil? We go back to ignoring them, like we had been doing for the last 300 years prior to the demand for oil.

    Think about it. Most of the middle east ascribes to a religion that places very little value on human life. It is, as a culture, antiquated to the extreme, BY DESIGN. Think of them as almost being violent Amish. When you way of life dictated by tenants that are a thousand years expired, and your leaders are indoctrinated and compelled to INDOCTRINATE those very same tenants upon their populace, this is what happens.

    Imagine what THIS country would look like if each individual interpretation of Christianity had the added belief that all the OTHERS were infidels who cannot be suffered to live...at least not in the same vicinity as themselves.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    And apparently, you again missed the point I was making.
    Ok, sorry for that.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Mr Fail,

    Nothing would be good enough for you.
    Well..it would have to be history based....not the rumor mill.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Tell you what. Name the historical site, whatever the hell that means, and I'll look into it.


    Since the NY Times isn't historical, now Wikipedia, nor UPI, lol.


    Failed debate tactic is failing.
    As if you were a qualified judge. Wikipedia can be edited by the reader...the New York times is a joke. And the UPI correspondent posted a story off the rumor mill. Post it from a mainstream US news source and I will take it seriously. I don't doubt that the CIA had connections to Iraq during the Iran/Iraq war. I just do not buy the fantasy that the CIA groomed Saddam or the Baath Party into power.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    your opinion is that the current plan will result in a victory over IS and a stable Iraq? if not, what do you support doing, and where is the regional historical evidence that it will work? how much will it cost? are you willing to pay significantly higher taxes to fund it?
    Somebody's ground forces will have to be involved. Hopefully not ours, however it was stupid for Obama to telegraph his punches and publicly rule out US ground forces. ISIS can and will be defeated. Their own brutality will be their downfall. No tax increases needed. Just restore the funding that Obama and the democrats stupidly cut from the military budget.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    As if you were a qualified judge.
    Wikipedia can be edited by the reader...the New York times is a joke. And the UPI correspondent posted a story off the rumor mill. Post it from a mainstream US news source and I will take it seriously. I could not find it on any mainstream US site. Not even the left wing CNN. I don't doubt that the CIA had connections to Iraq during the Iran/Iraq war. I just do not buy the fantasy that the CIA groomed Saddam or the Baath Party into power

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Failed debate tactic is still failing.


    That the CIA supported the Baath party rise to power in Iraq is almost common knowledge, especially among people older than, say, 20.
    Ahh...now you are walking it back to "The CIA supported the Baath Party rise to power". Perhaps soon enough you will admit that it's nothing but internet rumor.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Somebody's ground forces will have to be involved. Hopefully not ours, however it was stupid for Obama to telegraph his punches and publicly rule out US ground forces. ISIS can and will be defeated. Their own brutality will be their downfall. No tax increases needed. Just restore the funding that Obama and the democrats stupidly cut from the military budget.
    so you're not willing to pay more in taxes to fund this new war?

    i don't support putting any more wars on the credit card. if it's worth fighting, it's worth funding. wartime tax rates should go into effect every time there is a military action, and these increases should be significant. perhaps then the public would be less complacent about endless war.

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    Re: Do you still feel the same now about our middle east involvement...

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    So are many others. Who we choose to accept as valid or not tends to fall down party lines, which, in my opinion, is asinine.

    At the end of the day, we know only what we are told, unless we WORKED for the CIA in the 60s. Me? I'll believe the photo of Saddam shaking hands with american leadership..
    I knew you would eventually get around to the photo of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam. Unfortunately for you...it's meaningless. Such handshakes between leaders of the US and any nation we have diplomatic relations with, enemy or not are quite common.

    All of this, this entire mess in the middle east has been going on for centuries. It sounds cruel, and maybe it makes me an empathy lacking son of a bitch, but I wish we could just take all of their oil, and forget every last one of those cock suckers, including Israel. Forget them, let them continue murdering each other in God's name. I'm sick of it. To the point of wanting Mecca AND Jerusalem destroyed, cratered, turned into a giant parking lot.
    Oh my!

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