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    Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    There has been plenty of political discussion about "how" we take action against ISIL.
    But I am curious how DP members would side on the issue if it was a choice between no action at all vs. action (of whatever type occurs.)

    Personally I was completely against the Invasion of Iraq from day 1.
    Yet I am very much for the annihilation of ISIL.
    I am not sure if the beheading videos were meant to lure us into the fight or meant to scare us away.
    Yet, even though I am aware that I am likely being manipulated to someone elses agenda... I do not even care.
    I want blood. I want to see every ISIL member dead. If it was their goal to manipulate me... it worked.

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Just keep them out of our country and out of our embassies. Which I suspect we can do without the military.

    Anything that ISIL combatants do elsewhere should be handled by the governments who claim to control that territory.
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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    I am for the limited but intense application of outright terror against them

    heads exploding from a shot a mile away

    ISIL members finding other members dead in the morning from a "Sicilian necktie"

    drone strikes at midnight

    disembowled ISIL members found in their beds



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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    There has been plenty of political discussion about "how" we take action against ISIL.
    But I am curious how DP members would side on the issue if it was a choice between no action at all vs. action (of whatever type occurs.)

    Personally I was completely against the Invasion of Iraq from day 1.
    Yet I am very much for the annihilation of ISIL.
    I am not sure if the beheading videos were meant to lure us into the fight or meant to scare us away.
    Yet, even though I am aware that I am likely being manipulated to someone elses agenda... I do not even care.
    I want blood. I want to see every ISIL member dead. If it was their goal to manipulate me... it worked.
    Which is why I do not watch the videos. We should stay the **** out of the middle east so I do not support military action against ISIL. If you are not on official government business and go these countries then you are ****ing moron. No black,gay,jewish person would go to a ku klux klan rally in the middle of the woods by themselves at night. No jew,cripple or some other person not liked by Nazis would have taken a trip to Nazi Germany. During the time of slavery in our country no free black person in the North would go on a vacation in Mississippi. But yet today we have morons who go to North Korea, we have former Muslim and christian morons who go to Islamo-fascist countries and morons who were kidnapped and later released going back to that same part of the world.
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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Im for more stern words from obama on this..basically a tongue lashing and a red line drawn in the sand.
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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    Just keep them out of our country and out of our embassies. Which I suspect we can do without the military.

    Anything that ISIL combatants do elsewhere should be handled by the governments who claim to control that territory.
    I did vote for military action, but your post makes a lot of sense.
    I am hoping that our air war will give ISIL's opponents the edge they need to deal with these psychotics.
    Fingers crossed and hoping for the best.
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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Which is why I do not watch the videos. We should stay the **** out of the middle east so I do not support military action against ISIL. If you are not on official government business and go these countries then you are ****ing moron. No black,gay,jewish person would go to a ku klux klan rally in the middle of the woods by themselves at night. No jew,cripple or some other person not liked by Nazis would have taken a trip to Nazi Germany. During the time of slavery in our country no free black person in the North would go on a vacation in Mississippi. But yet today we have morons who go to North Korea, we have former Muslim and christian morons who go to Islamo-fascist countries and morons who were kidnapped and later released going back to that same part of the world.
    James your post makes me very curious.
    I thought Conservatives were always for war and in any way they can get it.
    Clearly this is not the case for you.

    I wonder... were you for or against the invasion and destruction of Iraq? And if against, were you against it from day 1 while also being a Republican?

    For you is this merely an anti Obama thing or have your core principles changed over time?

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    The Fact is, We went into Iraq and destroyed the stable (albeit tyrannical) gov't that was in place. We created a void and it was filled by the exact people we have been trying to eliminate. We should have never gone into Iraq, but that ship has sailed. If we wan't to pretend to be nation builders then we need to finish the job. We never did, and now the Iraqi people are paying for that.
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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    While many will chastise either President Bush or President Obama or both or other presidents too, but whatever they've decided previously is largely irrelevant now. We are at War. And personally, "degrading and destroying" ISIL is the right strategy. Their existence and actions require a military response, but not just a military response. A full-spectrum approach is necessary in dealing with ISIL, those who can and will be recruited into their ranks and ISIL's reaction to our actions. The hammer must be brought down.

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    i'm for it but it won't work.

    The iraqi government has, for 10 years now, continually closed the sunni muslims off from the political process. No voices in parliament or government to speak for the sunnis in any meaningful way. This is why ISIS has a large population to recruit from in iraq. Some people don't know but iraq is as big as Poland and Czechoslovakia combined and it's got about 35mil people. A third of which are sunni. And the population is very young -> a lot of "army grade" men which is defined as ages between 16 and 25.

    And ISIS is rich. It's also independently wealthy so it's not like you can dry out its money and thus, it's ability to recruit people and arm people. And it's not like even if they weren't rich that they couldn't raise an army, a lot of people would join up voluntarily for ideological reasons. But granted, money helps, a lot. And it also has very limited expenses. It has no social programs for the territory it governs, no real administrative costs, no costs associated with what a government would have that seeks to govern over a territory. It only has expenses for war.

    The problem with ISIS is that it doesn't control the port that would open the doors to trading oil to asian countries like China. And yes, China would buy off their oil. And it's not like the US could do anything about it because it would be ships flying the chinesse flag that would do the transporting. It's one thing if it were ships flying the flag of ISIS or Iraq or any other country, but it's gonna be Chinesse fleet and yeah, that's troublesome.
    But even without that opportunity that would greatly improve the wealth of ISIS, they still have tons of money coming in from the west.

    I would put my left nut on the line and say that in many places in Europe and the USA, muslims are gathering and put together money, as much as they can, to support ISIS. I'm sure that Mosques are in it too. You think that this isn't a lot of money?
    If every month, 500.000 people give 10Euros, that's 5mil euros a month. You think 500k is too much or that 10Euros is too much? I don't think so.

    Hell, there is game called Star Citizen that had 10mil people crowdfunding it until today. Star Citizen made 54mil $ in about 18months. So... yeah, if a game can make it, you dont' think ideologically driven jihadi networks can't?

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