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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It might not last more than another 50 years, a generation or 2, but it depends more on how we deal with it than how many terrorists we kill. The terrorists have a strategy and every strategy has a solution to circumvent it. Things like how they used religious guilt and fear to con the Saudi's out on the money to fund the Taliban schools in Pakistan are key to stopping extremists before they exist. We need to use our head as well as our fist.
    It doesn't matter, the more we kill, the more fanatics are generated. Our only hope was to pull out of the Middle East entirely and leave them to their own devices, but I think that time is past and just leaving won't matter, there are people who have grown up with a strong religious hatred for the west and a fanatical desire to convert the entire planet to Islam, no matter how many people they have to kill doing it. I don't think we have the option to just leave anymore and we don't have the balls to just wipe out all of the fanatics.
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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    How do you exactly expect to "win" or follow through with at this?
    I don't think we can. Winning isn't an option anymore. The only way to win is to kill every single fanatical Muslim on the planet, but in doing so, we'll just make more. It's a no-win scenario.
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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    The Fact is, We went into Iraq and destroyed the stable (albeit tyrannical) gov't that was in place. We created a void and it was filled by the exact people we have been trying to eliminate. We should have never gone into Iraq, but that ship has sailed. If we wan't to pretend to be nation builders then we need to finish the job. We never did, and now the Iraqi people are paying for that.
    Oh, it's not just in Iraq that people are suffering from US interference.
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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I don't think we can. Winning isn't an option anymore. The only way to win is to kill every single fanatical Muslim on the planet, but in doing so, we'll just make more. It's a no-win scenario.
    Winning is always an option, there is no such thing as an un-winnable war. It is just a matter of finding the right strategy, using the right tactics to achieve that strategy and having the political will to see it through.
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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?
    against. i've seen no evidence that the region can be fixed by externally. any further role we have should be humanitarian. we should also replace transportation our energy model, and we should work with other countries to cut off their funding.

    no more endless war.

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    I'm for installing another Hussein (this time a more loyal one or at least swap em out every decade or so) so we can get our oil, the place can have order, and I can never be bothered by that desert again.
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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    The region is starting to decouple from borders drawn by england and other colonists which deliberately divided ethnic groups (the kurdish people would be a good example) and it is an unfortunately bloody process as new countries will be formed. We should just let it happen as the more we intervene, the longer and more bloody it will be.

    I say we wall of the borders, let them fight it out, and once they get it out of their system, they will hopefully be culturally mature enough to join the modern world.

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Winning is always an option, there is no such thing as an un-winnable war. It is just a matter of finding the right strategy, using the right tactics to achieve that strategy and having the political will to see it through.
    None of which we have or are willing to exercise.
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