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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    You realize oil is a nonrenewable resource? That probably won't happen.
    Oil gets to market by pipeline. Blowing up a pipeline will not waste much oil but it will keep it off the market.

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I think we have to put their oil production out of commission too. ISIS is making 2 million a day selling oil. That should not be difficult from the air.
    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    You realize oil is a nonrenewable resource? That probably won't happen.
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    Oil gets to market by pipeline. Blowing up a pipeline will not waste much oil but it will keep it off the market.
    Look at your first statement. It has nothing to do with the transportation of oil.

    Destroying their oil production facilities (oil wells) will waste a whole lot more valuable resource than destroying their ability to send it to a buyer.
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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Undoubtedly for. Complacency is plainly irresponsible in light of their stated goals and gains made in such a short period of time.

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    I have yet to see anybody discuss what the "endgame" situation in Syria and Iraq should look like, much less how to achieve it militarily.
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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    I have yet to see anybody discuss what the "endgame" situation in Syria and Iraq should look like, much less how to achieve it militarily.
    There is no "endgame", militarily or otherwise. The only possible "endgame" is to utterly eliminate extremist Islam from the face of the planet. Since that is not an option, or even a possibility, we're just putting off the inevitable and this will continue to come back and bite the planet in the ass forever.
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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Khorasan, an offspring of Al Q is apparently a greater threat and is concentrating on bomb making. exterminating bomb makers and bombers before they can strike should be a high priority. same with extreme retribution upon any area that harbors such scum knowingly



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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There is no "endgame", militarily or otherwise. The only possible "endgame" is to utterly eliminate extremist Islam from the face of the planet. Since that is not an option, or even a possibility, we're just putting off the inevitable and this will continue to come back and bite the planet in the ass forever.
    maybe that means eliminating any area that harbors it?



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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There is no "endgame", militarily or otherwise. The only possible "endgame" is to utterly eliminate extremist Islam from the face of the planet. Since that is not an option, or even a possibility, we're just putting off the inevitable and this will continue to come back and bite the planet in the ass forever.
    It might not last more than another 50 years, a generation or 2, but it depends more on how we deal with it than how many terrorists we kill. The terrorists have a strategy and every strategy has a solution to circumvent it. Things like how they used religious guilt and fear to con the Saudi's out on the money to fund the Taliban schools in Pakistan are key to stopping extremists before they exist. We need to use our head as well as our fist.

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Because as soon as it looks like we might win, we stop. We never follow through.
    How do you exactly expect to "win" or follow through with at this?

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    maybe that means eliminating any area that harbors it?
    And how do you do that? It's an insidious virus that hides within civilian populations everywhere that it's allowed to fester. Unfortunately, because most of these countries don't have a moderating secular influence, the fanatics can act, largely with impunity, and recruit from the larger Muslim population. If we can't even stop our own people from going overseas to fight with ISIL, how can we hope to stop it from happening in a culture where we have virtually no influence?
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