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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Hindsight is 20/20.

    There's no way to know what could have prevented 9/11, and to suggest we could have stopped that is rather simple don't you think?

    You can't forge peace and understanding with smart bombs, drones, and death. Not when it comes to generations and generations of cultural hatred.

    We need Islamic countries to stand up to fanatical Islamic hatred.
    Western countries dropping bombs and forcing a military occupation of Islamic countries isn't going to spread peace and tranquility.

    There's no way to "win" the "war on terror" through use of "brute force" and "military occupation from the west".

    Not without turning the west into a genocidal machine that's willing to basically start world war 3 and risk almost complete destruction of mankind as we know it.

    The US can't police the ME.
    The US can't "kill terrorism".
    Sure we go, after all, there hasn't been another major attack on the homeland since 9/11. You attack Al Qaeda, disrupt their network, and hurt their ability to pull off a spectacular scale attack. Simple, don't you think?

    Also, Islamic countries have proven since the Arab Spring that when left on their own, they generally go towards the fanatical ones. Heck, Iraq was a pretty functioning government until Maliki had to get all religious up in there.

    My point being is that we can either wait around for the next (inevitable) attack, one that might involve WMD, or we can cripple these organizations when they spring up. I've given up on salvaging the ME at this point anyways.

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    Just keep them out of our country and out of our embassies. Which I suspect we can do without the military.

    Anything that ISIL combatants do elsewhere should be handled by the governments who claim to control that territory.
    ISIL claims to be just that - a gov't in control of territory.
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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Hindsight is 20/20.

    There's no way to know what could have prevented 9/11, and to suggest we could have stopped that is rather simple don't you think?

    You can't forge peace and understanding with smart bombs, drones, and death. Not when it comes to generations and generations of cultural hatred.

    We need Islamic countries to stand up to fanatical Islamic hatred.
    Western countries dropping bombs and forcing a military occupation of Islamic countries isn't going to spread peace and tranquility.

    There's no way to "win" the "war on terror" through use of "brute force" and "military occupation from the west".

    Not without turning the west into a genocidal machine that's willing to basically start world war 3 and risk almost complete destruction of mankind as we know it.

    The US can't police the ME.
    The US can't "kill terrorism".
    Well put, imo.

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Military action has been unable to take out Al Qaeda and it will also fail against ISIS/ISIL.

    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.

    Its clear that we arent learning from our mistakes nor are we learning from history because we keep repeating the same errors each time.

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Military action has been unable to take out Al Qaeda and it will also fail against ISIS/ISIL.

    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.

    Its clear that we arent learning from our mistakes nor are we learning from history because we keep repeating the same errors each time.
    Because as soon as it looks like we might win, we stop. We never follow through.
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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I think we have to put their oil production out of commission too. ISIS is making 2 million a day selling oil. That should not be difficult from the air.
    I agree that their monetary sources need to be squeezed off, however, I don't believe using airstrikes on an oil platform/well is sound strategy, as the oil will burn, which causes less oil to be out on the market and its impact upon the environment and the non-ISIL people around it (smoke cloud).

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    We are spending more millions creating more enemies. Welcome to endless war.

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    ISIL claims to be just that - a gov't in control of territory.
    It has none of the infrastructure that allows it to actually GOVERN that territory, however. And the rest of the world is well aware of this fact.
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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    It is not that simple.

    What is the leadership like (don't trust Obama)? What strategy? Is it going to be just air strikes and drones?

    I see no moral problem with it, if it is done correctly. If we are not going to do the job right and until the end, then stay out of it.
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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I think we have to put their oil production out of commission too. ISIS is making 2 million a day selling oil. That should not be difficult from the air.
    You realize oil is a nonrenewable resource? That probably won't happen.
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