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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    I am completely FOR military action, but only if that military is from the countries in that region of the world.

    As in, I see no reason why the US Military should be involved in any way.

    At least not until many more Islamic run/dominated countries get far more military skin in the game.
    Let them spearhead the initiative.

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Right... so that whole Arab Spring thing was....
    These so called moderate Islamist the morons in office decided to arm and train oppose Assad. These terrorists called ISIL/ISIS also oppose Assad. So we expect these "moderates" to attack a group who shares their goal in overthrowing Assad?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I am completely FOR military action, but only if that military is from the countries in that region of the world.

    As in, I see no reason why the US Military should be involved in any way.

    At least not until many more Islamic run/dominated countries get far more military skin in the game.
    Let them spearhead the initiative.
    So what you're saying is that, ISIS isn't a threat to the US then right?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    These so called moderate Islamist the morons in office decided to arm and train oppose Assad. These terrorists called ISIL/ISIS also oppose Assad. So we expect these "moderates" to attack a group who shares their goal in overthrowing Assad?
    Wait what? I was responding to the other guy who was (if I have his MO right) implying that nothing in the ME happens without some CIA operation or whatever. What are you talking about?

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    But if no one goes over there and at least tries to do an interview, then they never have an opportunity to tell their side of the story. Isn't history littered with examples of misunderstanding or out right lies about the opposing side that have lead to armed conflict, and for the wrong reasons? We need to know why these people are doing it, as that can only help us in deciding the right course of action.
    When you go to these countries you enter at your own risk.Many of those people don't give two ****s why reporters are there.Nor do they care if Americans know their side of the story.

    After all, perhaps had we paid attention to Bin Laden and what he saying being in the 1990's to reporters, there may still be two skyscrapers in NYC where only beams of light are now.
    If we had not interfered in the middle east Bin Laden would be just another unknown Arab.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    So what you're saying is that, ISIS isn't a threat to the US then right?
    At this point in time, that's basically correct.

    Their homelands, and the "theater" they operate in are currently confined to areas within the ME.

    The overwhelmingly vast majority of their victims have been of ME and/or Muslim decent.

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    When you go to these countries you enter at your own risk.Many of those people don't give two ****s why reporters are there.Nor do they care if Americans know their side of the story.


    If we had not interfered in the middle east Bin Laden would be just another unknown Arab.
    And take the risk of Saddam to control the world's oil supply? Also, if we are really boiling down to the fact that Bin Laden didn't like the fact that he wasn't picked to defend Saudi Arabia, and that is the justification for killing 3000 on 9/11, it's a little petty you must admit....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    At this point in time, that's basically correct.

    Their homelands, and the "theater" they operate in are currently confined to areas within the ME.

    The overwhelmingly vast majority of their victims have been of ME and/or Muslim decent.
    I agree completely with you.... but what about in the future?

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I agree completely with you.... but what about in the future?
    What about it?

    You could say the same thing for Iran, North Korea, your next door neighbor, the lawn care crews that come cut your grass, the police officer at your kids school, ......

    If we start going to war with "potential future threats" ......... well, that's just a place I can't justify we go.

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    There has been plenty of political discussion about "how" we take action against ISIL.
    But I am curious how DP members would side on the issue if it was a choice between no action at all vs. action (of whatever type occurs.)

    Personally I was completely against the Invasion of Iraq from day 1.
    Yet I am very much for the annihilation of ISIL.
    I am not sure if the beheading videos were meant to lure us into the fight or meant to scare us away.
    Yet, even though I am aware that I am likely being manipulated to someone elses agenda... I do not even care.
    I want blood. I want to see every ISIL member dead. If it was their goal to manipulate me... it worked.
    Okaaaaaaaaay.

    Maybe some sort of new hobby is in order?

    Jogging? Weight lifting?

    That's what I do.

    Speaking of which...

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    What about it?

    You could say the same thing for Iran, North Korea, your next door neighbor, the lawn care crews that come cut your grass, the police officer at your kids school, ......

    If we start going to war with "potential future threats" ......... well, that's just a place I can't justify we go.
    On the other hand, had we of taken that view of Al Qaeda prior to 9/11, 3000 Americans might still be alive. Also, the examples you list aren't the same in this instance. Say what you want about Iran and North Korea, they haven't actually threatened us like ISIS has. Well, NK does but no one takes them seriously anymore (even when they actually back it up). And up to this point, Iran has been adamant that their Nuclear Program is for peaceful purposes.

    At some point, if you do acknowledge that they are a threat, and not just a strategic adversary (as I would classify NK and Iran), shouldn't something be done about it now when they are in their infancy?

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    On the other hand, had we of taken that view of Al Qaeda prior to 9/11, 3000 Americans might still be alive. Also, the examples you list aren't the same in this instance. Say what you want about Iran and North Korea, they haven't actually threatened us like ISIS has. Well, NK does but no one takes them seriously anymore (even when they actually back it up). And up to this point, Iran has been adamant that their Nuclear Program is for peaceful purposes.

    At some point, if you do acknowledge that they are a threat, and not just a strategic adversary (as I would classify NK and Iran), shouldn't something be done about it now when they are in their infancy?
    Hindsight is 20/20.

    There's no way to know what could have prevented 9/11, and to suggest we could have stopped that is rather simple don't you think?

    You can't forge peace and understanding with smart bombs, drones, and death. Not when it comes to generations and generations of cultural hatred.

    We need Islamic countries to stand up to fanatical Islamic hatred.
    Western countries dropping bombs and forcing a military occupation of Islamic countries isn't going to spread peace and tranquility.

    There's no way to "win" the "war on terror" through use of "brute force" and "military occupation from the west".

    Not without turning the west into a genocidal machine that's willing to basically start world war 3 and risk almost complete destruction of mankind as we know it.

    The US can't police the ME.
    The US can't "kill terrorism".

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