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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    While many will chastise either President Bush or President Obama or both or other presidents too, but whatever they've decided previously is largely irrelevant now. We are at War. And personally, "degrading and destroying" ISIL is the right strategy. Their existence and actions require a military response, but not just a military response. A full-spectrum approach is necessary in dealing with ISIL, those who can and will be recruited into their ranks and ISIL's reaction to our actions. The hammer must be brought down.
    I think we have to put their oil production out of commission too. ISIS is making 2 million a day selling oil. That should not be difficult from the air.

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    If done right, I'm for it. I just have no confidence that it will be done right because doing it right requires doing utter political suicide, we need to be willing to do things to ISIL that would never, ever, ever be acceptable. If we won't, then this problem will only continue to get worse. You can't reason with fanatics. You can't compromise with fanatics. The only thing you can do is kill fanatics. All of them.

    We don't have the balls to do that.
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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    The Fact is, We went into Iraq and destroyed the stable (albeit tyrannical) gov't that was in place. We created a void and it was filled by the exact people we have been trying to eliminate. We should have never gone into Iraq, but that ship has sailed. If we wan't to pretend to be nation builders then we need to finish the job. We never did, and now the Iraqi people are paying for that.
    There wasn't any more we could do without just telling the Iraqis to go screw themselves and declaring it a colony. Which at this point, was probably the only way to salvage that mess. If anything the last ten years has shown us, it's that the Arabs can't be counted on to rule themselves without screwing things up.

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    There has been plenty of political discussion about "how" we take action against ISIL.
    But I am curious how DP members would side on the issue if it was a choice between no action at all vs. action (of whatever type occurs.)

    Personally I was completely against the Invasion of Iraq from day 1.
    Yet I am very much for the annihilation of ISIL.
    I am not sure if the beheading videos were meant to lure us into the fight or meant to scare us away.
    Yet, even though I am aware that I am likely being manipulated to someone elses agenda... I do not even care.
    I want blood. I want to see every ISIL member dead. If it was their goal to manipulate me... it worked.
    I refuse to vote because the poll is too vague. Military action can range from military airstrikes (which are ineffective but what Obama is wanting to carry out) or ground troops (which would be effective in clearing out ISIS, but not something Obama seems willing to do).

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    Just keep them out of our country and out of our embassies. Which I suspect we can do without the military.

    Anything that ISIL combatants do elsewhere should be handled by the governments who claim to control that territory.
    How did that work with Afghanistan/Taliban/Al Qaeda and 9/11?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Which is why I do not watch the videos. We should stay the **** out of the middle east so I do not support military action against ISIL. If you are not on official government business and go these countries then you are ****ing moron. No black,gay,jewish person would go to a ku klux klan rally in the middle of the woods by themselves at night. No jew,cripple or some other person not liked by Nazis would have taken a trip to Nazi Germany. During the time of slavery in our country no free black person in the North would go on a vacation in Mississippi. But yet today we have morons who go to North Korea, we have former Muslim and christian morons who go to Islamo-fascist countries and morons who were kidnapped and later released going back to that same part of the world.
    First off, your Nazi analogy is flawed because people did, and I'm sure he didn't regret it:



    Second, if we're talking about the media, like it or not they play a vital role that often requires them to go into these hot spots to get the full story. And to Al Qaeda's credit, they at least will often do the interviews and not be butchers. At the very least, we now know what these people are capable of. We can't just stick our heads in the sand James and just pretend the world is great....
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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    James your post makes me very curious.
    I thought Conservatives were always for war and in any way they can get it.
    Clearly this is not the case for you.
    You are thinking of neocons.Most of these neocons are nothing more than war crazy RINOs. These cock sucking degenerate scum want war any way they can get it.Just look at John McCain for example. That piece of **** is trying to get us into another war every time he opens his mouth.The only thing that bothered him about president Obama is the fact we are not involved in a dozen or so conflicts.


    I wonder... were you for or against the invasion and destruction of Iraq? And if against, were you against it from day 1 while also being a Republican?
    For you is this merely an anti Obama thing or have your core principles changed over time?
    If I was for war any way I can get it conservative then would it matter who the president is?
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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You are thinking of neocons.Most of these neocons are nothing more than war crazy RINOs. These cock sucking degenerate scum want war any way they can get it.Just look at John McCain for example. That piece of **** is trying to get us into another war every time he opens his mouth.The only thing that bothered him about president Obama is the fact we are not involved in a dozen or so conflicts.
    John McCain has never seen a foreign policy issue he doesn't think we can just bomb our way out of. Yet the bobblehead shows consistently roll his exhumed corpse out there to tell us how Things Would Be if he had won in 2008. He's a bitter, bitter old man and the sooner he just goes the **** away, the better.
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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post

    First off, your Nazi analogy is flawed because people did, and I'm sure he didn't regret it:

    A tiny handful of people doesn't prove you right.

    Second, if we're talking about the media, like it or not they play a vital role that often requires them to go into these hot spots to get the full story. And to Al Qaeda's credit, they at least will often do the interviews and not be butchers. At the very least, we now know what these people are capable of. We can't just stick our heads in the sand James and just pretend the world is great....
    I know the world is not great.Which is why it is ****en idiotic for normal sane people not on government business to that part of the world. If these animals attack the American homeland I will be more than happy to want the president to do everything under the sun to send those animals to hell.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I know the world is not great.Which is why it is ****en idiotic for normal sane people not on government business to that part of the world. If these animals attack the American homeland I will be more than happy to want the president to do everything under the sun to send those animals to hell.
    But if no one goes over there and at least tries to do an interview, then they never have an opportunity to tell their side of the story. Isn't history littered with examples of misunderstanding or out right lies about the opposing side that have lead to armed conflict, and for the wrong reasons? We need to know why these people are doing it, as that can only help us in deciding the right course of action. After all, perhaps had we paid attention to Bin Laden and what he saying being in the 1990's to reporters, there may still be two skyscrapers in NYC where only beams of light are now.

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    For... but I'm not under any illusions that the fight in Syria/Iraq has anything to do with ISIS or terrorism or radical islam.

    It's about laying the groundwork to topple Assad and convert Syria back to the petrodollar.... which is very important for our well being.

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    Re: Are you for or against military action vs. ISIL?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    For... but I'm not under any illusions that the fight in Syria/Iraq has anything to do with ISIS or terrorism or radical islam.

    It's about laying the groundwork to topple Assad and convert Syria back to the petrodollar.... which is very important for our well being.
    Right... so that whole Arab Spring thing was....

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