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Do you trust president Obama to do a good job fighting ISIS?

Do you trust president Obama to do a good job fighting ISIS?

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Navy Pride said:
We really don't have a choice...we are stuck with Obama for the next two years and something has to be done.........The problem is when it comes to foreign policy either Obama does not care or is clueless on the issue.
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In what way would you do things differently?
 
jamesrage said:
Do you trust president Obama to do a good job fighting ISIS?



Mostly this question is aimed at those who want our country to fight ISIS. Because I noticed many neocon scum in the media saying Obama should do something,Obama should fight ISIS or some other nonsense are the same ones who mock his ability to lead militarily. If this guy is such a poor leader then why on earth do they want that man getting us involved in another war? Do these people think he has General Patton or some other great general on ice ready to thawed? Is there a really great "How to Fight Wars for Dummies" book somewhere?
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One has to ask, what would the conservatives demand? What would they do if they were in charge? Besides, whatever Obama does, right or wrong, will be condemned by the Right anyway.

IMO Obama's not doing badly. Instead of riding in cowboy-style with all our vast armed might, he first got NATO to join in the fight, and he's earnestly trying to get the Arab nations to take the lead on the ground...because he realizes that we cannot win a war there. The best we can hope for is that the guys who are our friends (or at least who are the least unfriendly) win, and so we do our best to help them win.
 
Nothing about Obama's reccord strikes me as being one who is good at handling military affairs. I also question his ability to do things to get the job done instead of half-attempted tactics aimed at appeasing Americans as "we are doing something."
 
jamesrage said:
Do you trust president Obama to do a good job fighting ISIS?



Mostly this question is aimed at those who want our country to fight ISIS. Because I noticed many neocon scum in the media saying Obama should do something,Obama should fight ISIS or some other nonsense are the same ones who mock his ability to lead militarily. If this guy is such a poor leader then why on earth do they want that man getting us involved in another war? Do these people think he has General Patton or some other great general on ice ready to thawed? Is there a really great "How to Fight Wars for Dummies" book somewhere?
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Yes I do. I know that he has come to terms with how important it is for our own security so just like he got Ben Laden, I trust him to really jam up this ISIS nonsense. I think his critics; of which I am one, are too quick to judge him on these decisions because armed conflict is a very fluid thing, and what you said yesterday may not be true today. Moreover, you don't want to telegraph your punches, particulalry in this day and age. Secrecy can be very difficult.
 
jet57 said:
Yes I do. I know that he has come to terms with how important it is for our own security so just like he got Ben Laden, I trust him to really jam up this ISIS nonsense. I think his critics; of which I am one, are too quick to judge him on these decisions because armed conflict is a very fluid thing, and what you said yesterday may not be true today. Moreover, you don't want to telegraph your punches, particulalry in this day and age. Secrecy can be very difficult.
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I have to disagree with you here.

I don't really think Obama gives a rat's ass about our country's security. For him, it's all political. It's all, "What should I do so people don't just totally hate me and all Democrats."

I do agree, though, that he never should tell the world what he will or will not do. All he had to do was say, "ISIS...we are going to destroy you." That's all. And then he should tell his Generals to produce a plan to do just that.
 
Lakeside said:
This is a chance for Obama to prove to the world that he can be a great leader. No one wants a war but a war is what we have. When these child killers brag and say that they will see us in New York city and say that their flag will fly over the WH that should be considered a declaration of war by them. I by no means have been to any War College but it seems that these killers have no time line and will slowly do what they have to do to complete their caliphate of the world. It is also time to start playing their game. They want to kill children and rape women we should be just as brutal as they are. Please don't take me as being a war monger or being to brutal, but we have to fight fire with fire.
Wash their dead bodies in pigs blood and then just burn their bodies along with the pig carcasses.
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You have some pretty sick ideas which aren't going to happen because the USA doesn't work that way.
 
yes i trust on obama's policy to fight against ISIS.
 
Lakeside said:
This is a chance for Obama to prove to the world that he can be a great leader. No one wants a war but a war is what we have. When these child killers brag and say that they will see us in New York city and say that their flag will fly over the WH that should be considered a declaration of war by them. I by no means have been to any War College but it seems that these killers have no time line and will slowly do what they have to do to complete their caliphate of the world. It is also time to start playing their game. They want to kill children and rape women we should be just as brutal as they are. Please don't take me as being a war monger or being to brutal, but we have to fight fire with fire. Wash their dead bodies in pigs blood and then just burn their bodies along with the pig carcasses. Rant over.
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I suggest you go live overseas for a while, preferably in a third-world nation. You can learn a lot.

And FYI, do you know what happens when you kill those of a certain religion and deliberately do that which desecrates the bodies? By doing that, you're letting those who follow that religion know that you are at war with their religion. Suddenly we would be at war not only with the entire Middle East (Shi'a AND Sunni) (AND nuclear-armed Pakistan) (and every Muslim in America and in Europe), but also every Muslim in 400M-strong Indonesia and millions more in Singapore, Malaysia, and the Philippines. We would be "at war" with over a billion Muslims, some of whom are silly-rich, others who have access to nuclear weapons and other really bad stuff.

Is that really what you want?

There's a few instances in history of relatively small religious sects being destroyed by force...but NEVER has a truly major religion been destroyed by force. All that any violence such as you suggest would do would be to edify the masses that the "Christians" are at war with them, and many, many millions would die. Islam would not go away, and neither world "Christianity".

In other words, dude, you really, truly need to tone down your rhetoric - otherwise, there might well be some Muslim extremist who will see your words and use them as his personal excuse to go kill innocent men, women, and children in the name of God...because of what you said.
 
Helix said:
other.

1. neoconservatives are not scum. we all share the same goal, which is keeping the country safe while building a stable economy. hawks are looking at the problem in a different way, and in a way which i believe is incorrect.

2. the problems in the Middle East cannot be solved by external military force. they must be solved internally by regional hegemons like Saudi Arabia.

Obama does not or is unwilling to understand the problem, because explaining it properly to the American people will embolden his political enemies to paint him as weak on foreign policy.

my opinion is :

1. the proposed strategy will not work.

2. even if the US destroys this particular snake, two will grow from its corpse.

end infinitywar now, and nation build in the United States.
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That region is too important to US and international security to just give up and hand over to Islamic radicals. Refusing to deal with them now will just delay the inevitable day that we'll have to take them on, later when it will be much more difficult and they have enlarged their numbers and equipped themselves using oil money. We might not be interested in fighting them but they will be coming for us.
 
Manc Skipper said:
I hope a country with such a massive army doesn't actually send its President to fight the wars. Surely it would have enough resources, like experts in tactics and grunts to do the killing so that the President need only point it at the enemy and say "Go".
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Yes, but he refuses to let the military decide how to fight the war. The main concern with Obama is that he knows nothing about military matters but will try to run it anyway such as when he thought he had to patronize his base and declared that no American troops would be committed to the ground war.
 
Mycroft said:
I have to disagree with you here.

I don't really think Obama gives a rat's ass about our country's security. For him, it's all political. It's all, "What should I do so people don't just totally hate me and all Democrats."

I do agree, though, that he never should tell the world what he will or will not do. All he had to do was say, "ISIS...we are going to destroy you." That's all. And then he should tell his Generals to produce a plan to do just that.
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We'll have to agree to disagree on Obama's motive. I don't think he's shown the weakness there that you say he has. I'm glad we agree on the message though.
 
LowDown said:
That region is too important to US and international security to just give up and hand over to Islamic radicals. Refusing to deal with them now will just delay the inevitable day that we'll have to take them on, later when it will be much more difficult and they have enlarged their numbers and equipped themselves using oil money. We might not be interested in fighting them but they will be coming for us.
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i don't agree that there is an external military solution, and i will never support endless war as two new bad guys spring up from the previous one. i also don't support putting war on the credit card. if others want a perpetual state of war, then every tax bracket needs to go up significantly to pay for it.
 
Helix said:
i don't agree that there is an external military solution, and i will never support endless war as two new bad guys spring up from the previous one. i also don't support putting war on the credit card. if others want a perpetual state of war, then every tax bracket needs to go up significantly to pay for it.
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Absolutely. If the country is to go to war, then the whole country should be at war. In the Iraq fiasc.. I mean war, only the military was at war, and the government put the tab on the credit card.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Absolutely. If the country is to go to war, then the whole country should be at war. In the Iraq fiasc.. I mean war, only the military was at war, and the government put the tab on the credit card.
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i agree. shared sacrifice. paying more in taxes is the absolute least that citizens can do when the country is at war.
 
I dont view Obama as being the problem, I view the historical trend of the US foreign policy as the problem. Obama's strategy in the "War on Terror" really isnt that different from Bush's. Just a new name behind it.
 
jamesrage said:
Do you trust president Obama to do a good job fighting ISIS?



Mostly this question is aimed at those who want our country to fight ISIS. Because I noticed many neocon scum in the media saying Obama should do something,Obama should fight ISIS or some other nonsense are the same ones who mock his ability to lead militarily. If this guy is such a poor leader then why on earth do they want that man getting us involved in another war? Do these people think he has General Patton or some other great general on ice ready to thawed? Is there a really great "How to Fight Wars for Dummies" book somewhere?
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Based on Obama's past and his supporters in here you are going to have to define "good job".

I have never called for war, the opposite in fact, but I definitely question a leader going into a war with no goals other than the "complete destruction" of an enemy yet to be properly identified.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
I suggest you go live overseas for a while, preferably in a third-world nation. You can learn a lot.

And FYI, do you know what happens when you kill those of a certain religion and deliberately do that which desecrates the bodies? By doing that, you're letting those who follow that religion know that you are at war with their religion. Suddenly we would be at war not only with the entire Middle East (Shi'a AND Sunni) (AND nuclear-armed Pakistan) (and every Muslim in America and in Europe), but also every Muslim in 400M-strong Indonesia and millions more in Singapore, Malaysia, and the Philippines. We would be "at war" with over a billion Muslims, some of whom are silly-rich, others who have access to nuclear weapons and other really bad stuff.

Is that really what you want?

There's a few instances in history of relatively small religious sects being destroyed by force...but NEVER has a truly major religion been destroyed by force. All that any violence such as you suggest would do would be to edify the masses that the "Christians" are at war with them, and many, many millions would die. Islam would not go away, and neither world "Christianity".

In other words, dude, you really, truly need to tone down your rhetoric - otherwise, there might well be some Muslim extremist who will see your words and use them as his personal excuse to go kill innocent men, women, and children in the name of God...because of what you said.
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Keep your head buried in the sand. I see things as they are....THEY HATE US ALREADY. Pig blood for all Muslims.
 
shrubnose said:
You have some pretty sick ideas which aren't going to happen because the USA doesn't work that way.
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Is that as sick as cutting a child's head of? If you think my idea is sicker than killing children, you need some help.
 
Navy Pride said:
We really don't have a choice...we are stuck with Obama for the next two years and something has to be done.........The problem is when it comes to foreign policy either Obama does not care or is clueless on the issue.
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What "something" has to be done? Are you saying that you don't know either?

"Fire, fire, someone do something!"
 
Lakeside said:
Is that as sick as cutting a child's head of? If you think my idea is sicker than killing children, you need some help.
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It's not so much sick as it is ill advised and counterproductive. Fortunately for us, cooler heads will prevail.
 
Lakeside said:
Is that as sick as cutting a child's head of? If you think my idea is sicker than killing children, you need some help.
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Go back and read what you posted, you're the person with the sick ideas, you need some professional help with your problems.

Trying to copy ISIS isn't the way to win this battle and isn't going to happen.
 
Do I or anyone who has studied the history of the Vietnam War trust a President who refuses to listen to his military advisers and instead allows civilians like Valerie Jarrett, Susan Rice to write and dictate what America's national security doctrine will be and what the tactics should be used by the U.S. military trust Obama ? Only stupid people would.

Obama is micromanging the U.S. military.

He has failed to look at the mistakes that were made in 65-68.

Obama just isn't ignoring the Weinberger / Powell Doctrin's < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weinberger_Doctrine > / > Powell Doctrine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia > but is micromanging the U.S. military.

What experiance does Obama, Jarrett and Rice have when it comes to the military and on the battlefield except using the military for PC social engineering. :thinking
 
shrubnose said:
Go back and read what you posted, you're the person with the sick ideas, you need some professional help with your problems.

Trying to copy ISIS isn't the way to win this battle and isn't going to happen.
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Alright, I will get professional help and you just keep your head buried in the sand.
 
jamesrage said:
Do you trust president Obama to do a good job fighting ISIS?



Mostly this question is aimed at those who want our country to fight ISIS. Because I noticed many neocon scum in the media saying Obama should do something,Obama should fight ISIS or some other nonsense are the same ones who mock his ability to lead militarily. If this guy is such a poor leader then why on earth do they want that man getting us involved in another war? Do these people think he has General Patton or some other great general on ice ready to thawed? Is there a really great "How to Fight Wars for Dummies" book somewhere?
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No I don't but to be fair, I doubt there's any American President who could. However, the way I see it working out, the US will drop a few bombs here and there, while the combined armies of Iraq, Syria, and elements of the Iranian Army will be able to deal with ISIS. It be nice if we all could cooperate, but I doubt that's going to happened.
 
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