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    Re: Do you trust president Obama to do a good job fighting ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No, instead he launched an invasion of a secular state, thus creating a power vacuum leading to the rise of an even more radical group than AlQaeda.
    With plenty of bi-partisan support, unfortunately.
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    Re: Do you trust president Obama to do a good job fighting ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Actually the power vacuum was caused by leaving, after the US (and allies?) replaced the former Iraq leadership with US/allied military force-supported leaders, thus pulling a significant portion of their support and leaving their collective ass hanging in the breeze.

    Edit: Which is not to say that removing the former leadership was the best option in the first place, you understand. Or at least not to that extent.

    Unless I misunderstand, basically we disbanded most/all iraq leadership organizations and then built new ones.

    Edit 2: Or tried.
    No, it wasn't. There was no al qaeda in Iraq until the US showed up. Hussein gave no quarters to al Qaeda or any other terrorist organizations. Hussein was the best containment tool. And Bush removed him. Furthermore, Obama was instructed by Americans to get the hell out of Iraq. And, the polls show that a majority of Americans now realize that the war in Iraq was a MISTAKE!
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    Re: Do you trust president Obama to do a good job fighting ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, it wasn't. There was no al qaeda in Iraq until the US showed up. Hussein gave no quarters to al Qaeda or any other terrorist organizations. Hussein was the best containment tool. And Bush removed him. Furthermore, Obama was instructed by Americans to get the hell out of Iraq. And, the polls show that a majority of Americans now realize that the war in Iraq was a MISTAKE!
    Personally, I am not yet convinced that removing Hussein was a mistake.

    The WAY it was done, however, is what caused many of the long-term issues.
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    Re: Do you trust president Obama to do a good job fighting ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Personally, I am not yet convinced that removing Hussein was a mistake.

    The WAY it was done, however, is what caused many of the long-term issues.
    Well, I can't understand why you've yet to notice the fools errand of removing Hussein. He was no threat to the US, a requirement for legitimate use of our military. He had no connection with OBL, or Al Qaeda. Iraq was a secular country, Hussein gave no space to Muslim extremists. He hadn't the desire or the means to deliver a mushroom cloud over a US city nor was he a threat to our ally's. Due to all that, the 4,500 lost soldiers and 1.5 trillion dollars has been wasted blood and treasure, and the power vacuum created gave rise to the Islamic State in Iraq which took up house keeping in Syria, another place where a power vacuum is being created and so emboldening the Islamic State.
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    Re: Do you trust president Obama to do a good job fighting ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well, I can't understand why you've yet to notice the fools errand of removing Hussein. He was no threat to the US, a requirement for legitimate use of our military. He had no connection with OBL, or Al Qaeda. Iraq was a secular country, Hussein gave no space to Muslim extremists. He hadn't the desire or the means to deliver a mushroom cloud over a US city nor was he a threat to our ally's. Due to all that, the 4,500 lost soldiers and 1.5 trillion dollars has been wasted blood and treasure, and the power vacuum created gave rise to the Islamic State in Iraq which took up house keeping in Syria, another place where a power vacuum is being created and so emboldening the Islamic State.
    Which is why I said "WAY".
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    Re: Do you trust president Obama to do a good job fighting ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Which is why I said "WAY".
    So..........you think he should have been assassinated instead?
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    Re: Do you trust president Obama to do a good job fighting ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    So..........you think he should have been assassinated instead?
    Not particularly.

    I don't know what would have been a better move, or for that matter, if removing him even WAS the best option.
    I just know he was someone I wouldn't consider acceptable as a leader - perhaps we should have supported (ACTUALLY supported) a rebellion? But then civilian deaths, worse? Or better?

    I dunno.

    But the way we DID go about it basically guaranteed we'd be dealing with the consequences for decades to come.
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    Re: Do you trust president Obama to do a good job fighting ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    With plenty of bi-partisan support, unfortunately.
    Yes, with plenty of bi partisan support, a fact that Democrats now try to ignore, while Republicans bring it up. And why? Because both now recognize that having invaded Iraq was a bad idea. Back when the decision was being made, anyone who thought it was a mistake was simply a dang hippie peacenik.
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    Re: Do you trust president Obama to do a good job fighting ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, with plenty of bi partisan support, a fact that Democrats now try to ignore, while Republicans bring it up. And why? Because both now recognize that having invaded Iraq was a bad idea. Back when the decision was being made, anyone who thought it was a mistake was simply a dang hippie peacenik.
    I think I would have preferred being called a hippie peacenik to what I actually was called at the time, lol.
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    Re: Do you trust president Obama to do a good job fighting ISIS?

    No, considering he can't even blame ISIS' beheadings on Islam.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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