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    Re: Do you trust president Obama to do a good job fighting ISIS?



    Oh....that's a good one.

    I don't trust 100% of the politicians in Washington (it was about 95%, but Ron Paul retired).

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    Re: Do you trust president Obama to do a good job fighting ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    She isn't mine, A and 2, where's your proof that he's the worst? That's been reserved for both Carter and Bush 2. Other then it being your opinion.
    Where's the proof? Are you serious? Where have you been the last 6 months? That is my opinion and also the opinion of a lot of other people. Once again you may want to read , research and question. As I said before the MSNBC Hate-A-Thon will only ruin your mind.

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    Re: Do you trust president Obama to do a good job fighting ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It depends on why people voted no. For myself it was more that I don't believe that the Islamic state can be destroyed than it is a criticism of Obama's abilities. Bush couldn't destroy AQ either.
    Bush didn't really try.
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    Re: Do you trust president Obama to do a good job fighting ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Bush didn't really try.
    No, instead he launched an invasion of a secular state, thus creating a power vacuum leading to the rise of an even more radical group than AlQaeda.
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    Re: Do you trust president Obama to do a good job fighting ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No, instead he launched an invasion of a secular state, thus creating a power vacuum leading to the rise of an even more radical group than AlQaeda.
    Actually the power vacuum was caused by leaving, after the US (and allies?) replaced the former Iraq leadership with US/allied military force-supported leaders, thus pulling a significant portion of their support and leaving their collective ass hanging in the breeze.

    Edit: Which is not to say that removing the former leadership was the best option in the first place, you understand. Or at least not to that extent.

    Unless I misunderstand, basically we disbanded most/all iraq leadership organizations and then built new ones.

    Edit 2: Or tried.
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    Re: Do you trust president Obama to do a good job fighting ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Actually the power vacuum was caused by leaving, after the US (and allies?) replaced the former Iraq leadership with US/allied military force-supported leaders, thus pulling a significant portion of their support and leaving their collective ass hanging in the breeze.

    Edit: Which is not to say that removing the former leadership was the best option in the first place, you understand. Or at least not to that extent.

    Unless I misunderstand, basically we disbanded most/all iraq leadership organizations and then built new ones.

    Edit 2: Or tried.
    I think "or tried" is correct.

    The result of taking out Saddam Hussain, admittedly a dictator and a bad guy, and replacing him with (what? A government that was supposed to have been friendly to the West, but had no real power in Iraq?) then following a troop withdrawal plan that had been "negotiated" with that government was totally predictable. What has happened is we replaced bad with worse, and now are wondering just what to do next.
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    Re: Do you trust president Obama to do a good job fighting ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I think "or tried" is correct.

    The result of taking out Saddam Hussain, admittedly a dictator and a bad guy, and replacing him with (what? A government that was supposed to have been friendly to the West, but had no real power in Iraq?) then following a troop withdrawal plan that had been "negotiated" with that government was totally predictable. What has happened is we replaced bad with worse, and now are wondering just what to do next.
    Personally, I think removing Saddam was good, but we ****ed up everything else, from the management of the new government creation to the later withdrawal.

    If we had done the government creation part right we might have been able to withdraw without the results we see now.
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    Re: Do you trust president Obama to do a good job fighting ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Personally, I think removing Saddam was good, but we ****ed up everything else, from the management of the new government creation to the later withdrawal.

    If we had done the government creation part right we might have been able to withdraw without the results we see now.
    If we had done the government creation right, then sure, but I'm not so sure that there was a right way to do it. Sometimes, it's best to let good enough alone, even when good enough isn't very good.
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    Re: Do you trust president Obama to do a good job fighting ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Personally, I think removing Saddam was good, but we ****ed up everything else, from the management of the new government creation to the later withdrawal.

    If we had done the government creation part right we might have been able to withdraw without the results we see now.
    The fact remains when we left Iraq in 2011 the country was stable.......Because we did not leave a residual force it is a total disaster now thanks to Obama..Don't give me this crap about a SOFA either...Something could have been worked out.
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    Re: Do you trust president Obama to do a good job fighting ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    Where's the proof? Are you serious? Where have you been the last 6 months? That is my opinion and also the opinion of a lot of other people. Once again you may want to read , research and question. As I said before the MSNBC Hate-A-Thon will only ruin your mind.
    Sure there are lots of people that think Obama is the worst president ever, just as there are lots of people that think Bush 2 was the worst president ever. In fact, it turns out its only a matter of opinion.
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