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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Otherwise?



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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Again, you appear to be conflating spanking as equivalent to being violently beaten about the head and ears with fists and boots, when the two are not remotely the same. This is a common reaction among those who have no clue what they are talking about in this debate. You're confusing (either unreasoningly or deliberately) the image of angry out-of-control violence with the use of controlled spanking as a disciplinary tool in some cases.

    And slinging the word "coward" around from the safe anonymity of the Internet is a pretty contemptible habit...
    While passively aggressively threatening violence onto those who do spank...
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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    He's lucky. I had gotten into 3 fights, not started by me, before I ever even made it to middle school.


    Define hit? Because if you're telling me I can't spank my child, you're bat **** crazy.
    I never spanked my kid but gave a glancing soft swat to the butt when my child tried to run away thinking it was fun... and into traffic. Scared the **** out of me...

    Now my ex-wife? She has slapped my eldest daughter in the face 5 or 6 times that I know of... that is not OK and rightfully is illegal.
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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post


    You think it is that easy?
    No. It's the internet, lol.
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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I never spanked my kid but gave a glancing soft swat to the butt when my child tried to run away thinking it was fun... and into traffic. Scared the **** out of me...

    Now my ex-wife? She has slapped my eldest daughter in the face 5 or 6 times that I know of... that is not OK and rightfully is illegal.
    No, not at all.



    That sounds like a punishment innacted in a moment of passion. She was angry, she slapped her.


    Wrong.


    Punishment needs ot be conducted by someone who has calmed. You don't see angry judges (outside of TV). There's a reason for that. It needs ot be seen by the child that it's not about anger. It's about punishment for a crime committed.
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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    No, not at all.



    That sounds like a punishment innacted in a moment of passion. She was angry, she slapped her.


    Wrong.


    Punishment needs ot be conducted by someone who has calmed. You don't see angry judges (outside of TV). There's a reason for that. It needs ot be seen by the child that it's not about anger. It's about punishment for a crime committed.
    Agreed.

    ... and with regards to judges the sound and remain calm but can give away their bias in their decisions...
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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Some kids respond better to lectures. Some kids respond better to guilt. Some kids respond better to 'time outs' or taking of toys. Some kids respond better to "the look". And yes, some kids respond better to spanking. A parent needing improvement in their parenting skills takes a "one size fits all" approach. Know your kid and respond appropriately.
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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Did he die before 70? I find it hard to believe that a man in his 40's couldn't beat the crap out of anybody over 65 or 70...
    He died at 63 and I was 23, if that matters.

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    I imagine they would resist corporal punishment for bad behaviour. Too bad their children are unable to resist.

    Children are indeed different; they are lacking in self-restraint and reason, to the point of being a danger to themselves, until they reach an age and condition where they begin to act with more sense.

    In many cases their misbehavior can be dealt with well through means such as talking, scolding, time-outs or loss of privilege.

    Some behaviors, particularly those involving dangerous actions that place the child or others in imminent peril of harm or that involve highly anti-social acts or outright defiance, must be stopped immediately and an emotional impression must be made that will "stay with" the child, to emphatically deter repeat actions of this type. Spanking is effective in this role for many children where lesser punishments might not make sufficient lasting impression.

    As children get older and more amenable to reason, and more susceptible to punishments like loss of privilege, the need for spanking declines and eventually ceases. I never needed to use it after my son was about 8, for instance.



    As for resistance... well I've said this before. My son is now 18, and towers over me like a giant, though I am a rather large man. He was trained in martial arts from the time he could walk. I am getting a bit old whereas he is entering the prime of his strength. In short, if he wanted revenge he could probably take it. If he resented the way he was raised he could go live with his mother, she'd love that.


    On the contrary, he loves and respects me, and not only listens to me but seeks out my advice. We have a wonderful relationship. He has no desire to leave my home at this time. He is a very independent thinker and very much his own person. He has no issues with how he was raised and says he plans to raise his children in a similar manner, if he decides to have children.


    Being spanked as a young child did him no harm; in fact it probably did him no end of good, as he was a terror at 3 and difficult in Kindergarden and 1st grade, but became a model student by 3rd grade... the kind teachers gush over and swear they wish they had more of.


    These comparisons to uncontrolled violence just don't hold water. I would know; when I was 13 I was held and beaten bloody by a local gang that took a dislike to me, and that was far from my last experience with that sort of thing. There is no comparison; a good parent is correcting their child and trying to spare them the misery and ruin of growing up without learning that there are limits to one's will, not trying to physically harm them like a thug.

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    He died at 63 and I was 23, if that matters.
    It was more out of curiosity and no offense intended. I saw a video of a 61 year old guy give a beat down to a kid so I can see that

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