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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I suppose you could call us a gang. I don't think the term fits all that well. Most of us are related by marriage or birth, but we do take in strays on occasion we take a liking to em. We are very similar to a Scottish clan in many respects even have roots there amongst other places. We are like a pride of lions. We have lions in our heraldry. One us is formidable alone and can make their own way just fine. But all of us, we are fearsome and our numbers give us many advantages.
    And this makes advocating child abuse okay?

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    And this makes advocating child abuse okay?
    Where did I do that?
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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Where did I do that?
    You said you would find Peterson not guilty of child abuse. That is, in no uncertain terms, advocating child abuse.

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Irony
    Delusion.

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Would you care to provide another explanation?
    It is not my point and I have not studied the case you brought up to be qualified to speak towards it. There are more than likely many differences between our legal systems, culture, and society that could be factors to the difference in crime rate, and I highly doubt that physical abuse being part of their system is the cause of their lower crime rate.

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You said you would find Peterson not guilty of child abuse. That is, in no uncertain terms, advocating child abuse.
    How so? I simply said that in the Peterson case I would find him not guilty. My reason is partially selfish, I don't want to be judged on my skills as a parent by outsiders, and I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt to Peterson because of that. I don't know the whole story neither does anyone, because it hasn't been released. I also know the first grand jury declined to indict on these SAME charges. So as far as I am concerned I will leave it to a jury and if I was on it I would vote note guilty absent any other information. Your idea and mine of advocating, are two different things.
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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Me too. It sure wasn't anything I took pleasure in but sometimes it was necessary. I've been sitting here recalling the times I had to spank and they were few. Like the time my son 8, attached a pulley system up high in a large maple tree in the front yard and tide the rope off on the neighbor's fence making a type of zip line. Bent the heck out of the neighbor's fence. Or the time he used post hole diggers to create an 18 hole gulf course in our backyard. His buddy's dad had given him a set of old golf clubs so the boys opened up for business charging the kids in the neighborhood 25 cents a game and took out a basement window. Then there were times like riding their bikes out in the street when told to stay on the sidewalk and darn near got hit by a car. And the time my daughter lied to me (9) telling me she didn't have any homework and when progress reports came out and the news wasn't good, instead of bringing it home she dropped it in the mailbox on the corner. The mailman made sure I got it. I don't recall spanking after the age of 10. And the spanking was done with a paddle on the butt. Punishment was swift and over. A paddling is not a beating. What I do find abusive is the parent that screams at their kids, calling them names and carrying on like out of control idiots. God Almighty I wish there was a mute button to push to shut them the hell up.
    Greetings, Vesper.

    Loved the story about your son's pulley system! My son hauled dirt and made a ramp in our front yard he could ride his bike off of, going airborne and "flying" for a while.

    In retrospect, though, it seems that we sure had a lot more fun making do with our imaginations than kids do today. It was fun playing baseball, girls included, and holding contests to see who could win a race jumping along in burlap bagsl Leaving the house in the summer and not showing up until lunch, then back outside till dinner! And in the Winter, all the neighbor kids sledding, way past the time it got dark, down the middle of the street on the steepest hill in the area, and loving every scary minute of it! Memories....

    I've got to leave in a few minutes to go to my birthday party at our local watering hole! It promises to be fun! See you tomorrow!

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Delusion.
    I'll try one more time:

    Why are we a part of society? What makes it worth it? Why not cast it aside. Well, there are justifications for society. A main one is the justice system. It justifies society through protection (incarceration) and redemption (rehabilitation). Those things make society worth being a part of. For example:

    When someone is locked up, it is to protect society and provide an opportunity for redemption. The person is not locked up to hurt them. I think it's kinda sick that someone would conceive of the justice system as a mechanism for hurting people instead of as a mechanism for helping society. Justice is for society, not a person.

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