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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    With the recent news of Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson being charged with child abuse in possibly two separate cases, I thought it would be a good time to pose the question of where to draw the line in punishing a child. It was always acceptable for me to get a spanking or slap when I was out of line as a kid, and that wasn't overly long ago. Now all of a sudden, Mr. Peterson is in hot water as a result. Granted, I was never spanked with a stick, but there were always some interesting objects involved. I just wanted to know if you believe it is allowable for an adult to use force that does not cause permanent damage in order to teach/ discipline their children. Please explain you answer.


    A controlled and carefully administered spanking is a useful tool in the parental toolbox for certain types of serious misbehavior, and is appropriate if applied properly... and sparingly.

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    The problem lies with the level of responsibility and the freedom required to execute those exclusive responsibilities. You err on one side, I on the other. One mans abuse is another mans discipline. Which man decides. I say the parent. A parent cannot fear to do what they must because they will be judged by society and then they are punished for trying to execute their exclusive responsibility. Especially since there is no consensus on what is or not abuse, let alone broad consensus.
    There is broad consensus on what constitutes abuse. While spanking is controversial in some circles, just about everyone agrees that if after you spank your kid they look as though they have literally been horsewhipped, that's abuse. If you intentionally injure your kid to the point they need medical treatment, that is abuse. If you starve your kid that is abuse and neglect. If a baby is left days on end in their own feces, that is neglect. So really there is pretty broad agreement on what constitutes abuse and neglect. Its very difficult, as it should be, to take kids out of a home due to abuse and neglect, and if kids are removed from a home you can bet there was a damn good reason for it.
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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Again, here you go favoring your ideological dogma over reality as it can actually be observed to exist.
    You are the one substituting your own lust of revenge for what the justice system is really about. In your self-centered, tiny little world view, the justice system is there to harm people for you. That's pathetic.

    Stick to the "Ivory Tower," Eco. Your ideas don't amount to a hill of beans anywhere else.
    Typical fundie anti-intellectualism. Tell us again how sociology is a scam.

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Again, here you go favoring your ideological dogma over reality as it can actually be observed to exist.

    Stick to the "Ivory Tower," Eco. Your ideas don't amount to a hill of beans anywhere else.
    A hill of beans is actually pretty useful. Beans are a low-cost source of protein, low in fat and salt and a great source of fiber. Really, if his ideas amount to a hill of beans that is saying a lot of his ideas.

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Does it matter?

    If it works, it works.
    What may work over seas somewhere is no proof that it will or could work here. We are talking about here in the US.

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You are the one substituting your own lust of revenge for what the justice system is really about. In your self-centered, tiny little world view, the justice system is there to harm people for you. That's pathetic.
    To the contrary, justice systems generally exist to harm people for the benefit of the state. Theoretically, by extension, this benefits society in general, if one assumes that what is in the state's best interests is also in the best interests of the people living under its control.

    Or... At least, that is how things would work under an autocratic government.

    The United States is a bit different, as people have a say in deciding law through the power of elected representatives. This is actually a major cause of the rather confused justice system you see today, as voters are often in favor of retributive forms of punishment, and tend to view some crimes as being more heinous than others regardless of the level of objective harm that they can actually be shown to cause.

    It is essentially emotionally driven "mob rule," working in collusion with the more draconian impulses of government, to bring American society the very worst elements that both worlds have to offer.

    Typical fundie anti-intellectualism. Tell us again how sociology is a scam.
    No need. Your posts do it for me.
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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    What may work over seas somewhere is no proof that it will or could work here. We are talking about here in the US.
    You might have noticed that he provided no evidence that it works. All he said is that they do this and they have less crime. His statement means nothing by itself.

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    More baseless rhetoric.

    I'm special because my family has been concerned about each other for generations!

    I'm special because I'm a parent!


    When you no longer rely on personal and family greatness to support child abuse and hypocrisy, let me know.
    You seem awfully bitter for someone who doesn't know me or my family or how we raise children. Just because I support AP now all the sudden I am a child abuse supporter. Why don't we jut call that what it is, hyperbole.

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    To the contrary, justice systems general exist to harm people for the benefit of the state.
    That's sick. I hope someday you'll understand the justice system is about justifying society through protection and redemption. It's about making the social contract worthwhile.

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That's sick. I hope someday you'll actually understand the justice system is about justifying society through protection and redemption.
    Annnnnd up go the ideological blinders, right on cue!

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