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Parents: Punishing Kids [W:361]

is it ever allowable for a Parent to punish their child with force?

  • Yes

    Votes: 43 68.3%
  • No

    Votes: 12 19.0%
  • Other (explain)

    Votes: 8 12.7%

  • Total voters
    63
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

No, not at all.



That sounds like a punishment innacted in a moment of passion. She was angry, she slapped her.


Wrong.


Punishment needs ot be conducted by someone who has calmed. You don't see angry judges (outside of TV). There's a reason for that. It needs ot be seen by the child that it's not about anger. It's about punishment for a crime committed.

Agreed.

... and with regards to judges the sound and remain calm but can give away their bias in their decisions...
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

Some kids respond better to lectures. Some kids respond better to guilt. Some kids respond better to 'time outs' or taking of toys. Some kids respond better to "the look". And yes, some kids respond better to spanking. A parent needing improvement in their parenting skills takes a "one size fits all" approach. Know your kid and respond appropriately.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

I imagine they would resist corporal punishment for bad behaviour. Too bad their children are unable to resist.


Children are indeed different; they are lacking in self-restraint and reason, to the point of being a danger to themselves, until they reach an age and condition where they begin to act with more sense.

In many cases their misbehavior can be dealt with well through means such as talking, scolding, time-outs or loss of privilege.

Some behaviors, particularly those involving dangerous actions that place the child or others in imminent peril of harm or that involve highly anti-social acts or outright defiance, must be stopped immediately and an emotional impression must be made that will "stay with" the child, to emphatically deter repeat actions of this type. Spanking is effective in this role for many children where lesser punishments might not make sufficient lasting impression.

As children get older and more amenable to reason, and more susceptible to punishments like loss of privilege, the need for spanking declines and eventually ceases. I never needed to use it after my son was about 8, for instance.



As for resistance... well I've said this before. My son is now 18, and towers over me like a giant, though I am a rather large man. He was trained in martial arts from the time he could walk. I am getting a bit old whereas he is entering the prime of his strength. In short, if he wanted revenge he could probably take it. If he resented the way he was raised he could go live with his mother, she'd love that.


On the contrary, he loves and respects me, and not only listens to me but seeks out my advice. We have a wonderful relationship. He has no desire to leave my home at this time. He is a very independent thinker and very much his own person. He has no issues with how he was raised and says he plans to raise his children in a similar manner, if he decides to have children.


Being spanked as a young child did him no harm; in fact it probably did him no end of good, as he was a terror at 3 and difficult in Kindergarden and 1st grade, but became a model student by 3rd grade... the kind teachers gush over and swear they wish they had more of.


These comparisons to uncontrolled violence just don't hold water. I would know; when I was 13 I was held and beaten bloody by a local gang that took a dislike to me, and that was far from my last experience with that sort of thing. There is no comparison; a good parent is correcting their child and trying to spare them the misery and ruin of growing up without learning that there are limits to one's will, not trying to physically harm them like a thug.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

He died at 63 and I was 23, if that matters.

It was more out of curiosity and no offense intended. I saw a video of a 61 year old guy give a beat down to a kid so I can see that

[video=youtube;Rfc8IkbOOpg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Rfc8IkbOOpg[/video]
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

Some kids respond better to lectures. Some kids respond better to guilt. Some kids respond better to 'time outs' or taking of toys. Some kids respond better to "the look". And yes, some kids respond better to spanking. A parent needing improvement in their parenting skills takes a "one size fits all" approach. Know your kid and respond appropriately.


Exactly correct.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

Children are indeed different; they are lacking in self-restraint and reason, to the point of being a danger to themselves, until they reach an age and condition where they begin to act with more sense.

In many cases their misbehavior can be dealt with well through means such as talking, scolding, time-outs or loss of privilege.

Some behaviors, particularly those involving dangerous actions that place the child or others in imminent peril of harm or that involve highly anti-social acts or outright defiance, must be stopped immediately and an emotional impression must be made that will "stay with" the child, to emphatically deter repeat actions of this type. Spanking is effective in this role for many children where lesser punishments might not make sufficient lasting impression.

As children get older and more amenable to reason, and more susceptible to punishments like loss of privilege, the need for spanking declines and eventually ceases. I never needed to use it after my son was about 8, for instance.



As for resistance... well I've said this before. My son is now 18, and towers over me like a giant, though I am a rather large man. He was trained in martial arts from the time he could walk. I am getting a bit old whereas he is entering the prime of his strength. In short, if he wanted revenge he could probably take it. If he resented the way he was raised he could go live with his mother, she'd love that.


On the contrary, he loves and respects me, and not only listens to me but seeks out my advice. We have a wonderful relationship. He has no desire to leave my home at this time. He is a very independent thinker and very much his own person. He has no issues with how he was raised and says he plans to raise his children in a similar manner, if he decides to have children.


Being spanked as a young child did him no harm; in fact it probably did him no end of good, as he was a terror at 3 and difficult in Kindergarden and 1st grade, but became a model student by 3rd grade... the kind teachers gush over and swear they wish they had more of.


These comparisons to uncontrolled violence just don't hold water. I would know; when I was 13 I was held and beaten bloody by a local gang that took a dislike to me, and that was far from my last experience with that sort of thing. There is no comparison; a good parent is correcting their child and trying to spare them the misery and ruin of growing up without learning that there are limits to one's will, not trying to physically harm them like a thug.

I appreciate the sincerity of your response and I still completely disagree. You say you never spanked your son after age 8 and I say a six-year-old being spanked is learning a lesson about power and authority and humiliation that my son didn't need to learn and nor does any other child.
I ain't backing off, not one inch. But I appreciate the thought in your response.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

He's lucky. I had gotten into 3 fights, not started by me, before I ever even made it to middle school.


Define hit? Because if you're telling me I can't spank my child, you're bat **** crazy.

If you hit your child you deserve a shot in the mouth from someone you have no ability to defend yourself from. That's the position you put your child in. Fvcksakes, I don't hit a puppy I'm training. You hit your kid?
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

If you hit your child you deserve a shot in the mouth from someone you have no ability to defend yourself from. That's the position you put your child in. Fvcksakes, I don't hit a puppy I'm training. You hit your kid?


You're still equating a spanking to being punched in the mouth, and it is still a silly comparison.


A properly conducted spanking merely causes a stinging sensation. It causes no physical damage nor bruises nor marks that can be seen a few hours later.


OTOH I've been punched in the mouth by strong men on several occasions. They typically drew blood. Twice I lost teeth. Once my jaw was partially broken.


The two things just do not compare, at all.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

You're still equating a spanking to being punched in the mouth, and it is still a silly comparison.


A properly conducted spanking merely causes a stinging sensation. It causes no physical damage nor bruises nor marks that can be seen a few hours later.


OTOH I've been punched in the mouth by strong men on several occasions. They typically drew blood. Twice I lost teeth. Once my jaw was partially broken.


The two things just do not compare, at all.

To repeat myself, you spanking your six-year-old is teaching him a lesson about authority and power and humiliation that my son never had to learn.
I'm okay with my side. If you're okay with yours, we're done.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

Only with an open hand.
If you need a weapon, you are a loser and have no control over your children.

Or yourself, more likely.

I would not (and do not plan to need to) resort to striking my child unless the behavior was very serious.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

No problem with spanking at all. Never had to spank my daughter though. Now I and my brothers were a different story. 3 boys close in age and well, it was hairy at times, lol. Switches, belts and the bane of children everywhere the good old Hot Wheel track. We needed it though, we did not really respond to threats or silly punishments. I mean it depends on each child.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

Which you fail to extrapolate. Explain how you have come to the conclusion that I believe that violence is the answer to my problems due to my parents spanking me.


Otherwise?



Shut up.

Simple. The fact that you use violence against your children rather than employing a more intelligent form of discipline.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

You're still equating a spanking to being punched in the mouth, and it is still a silly comparison.


A properly conducted spanking merely causes a stinging sensation. It causes no physical damage nor bruises nor marks that can be seen a few hours later.


OTOH I've been punched in the mouth by strong men on several occasions. They typically drew blood. Twice I lost teeth. Once my jaw was partially broken.


The two things just do not compare, at all.

Ok, how about a huge dude picking you off the ground and putting you over his knee. How about they even force you pull down your pants or just do it themselves. Comparable yet?

You do realize it has been proven to cause psychological damage, right? There is really no debate on the issue at all. Denial is really all you guys have left here. Spanking is just some old bull**** that should have died out centuries ago.
 
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Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

Granted, I was never spanked with a stick, but there were always some interesting objects involved.
I never got hit with a stick by my parents. However, when I was a kid we never put hot wheel tracks on our X-mas list. :lol:

Funny, I never felt a need to whip my own children.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

No problem with spanking at all. Never had to spank my daughter though. Now I and my brothers were a different story. 3 boys close in age and well, it was hairy at times, lol. Switches, belts and the bane of children everywhere the good old Hot Wheel track. We needed it though, we did not really respond to threats or silly punishments. I mean it depends on each child.



Exactly. Every child is different.


Would you believe I started off with the intention of not spanking? When my son was born, I considered the matter at length and decided to avoid spanking him if at all possible.

By the time he was 3 I'd come to the conclusion that I might have been in error, as he was a holy terror and no other punishment seemed to make any impression on him. I started spanking him, and very soon I got dramatic results. Not instantly; he was tough and strong willed... but within a few months he began to savvy that bad behavior had bad consequences he preferred to avoid. He recognized that there were limits on how far he could go, and recognizing those limits changed his whole attitude.... frankly not only did he become more manageable, he also went from angry brat to happy-boy within a couple years. By 3rd grade he was a model student, and today he is a very sensible young man who doesn't have to be told that there are consequences to every choice: he sees that for himself.


Screw Dr. Spock, it worked for us. :)
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

Ok, how about a huge dude picking you off the ground and putting you over his knee. How about they even force you pull down your pants or just do it themselves. Comparable yet?

Some guy trying to do that to an adult is completely ridiculous. Children and adults have different perspectives. Trying to compare a disciplinary spanking of a child to an assault on an adult is nonsense.

You do realize it has been proven to cause psychological damage, right? There is really no debate on the issue at all.

OK please post the scientific results that say spanking (not abuse) causes psychological damage. Spanking is not abuse if done correctly for the right reasons.

Denial is really all you guys have left here. Spanking is just some old bull**** that should have died out centuries ago.

:roll:
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

Exactly. Every child is different.


Would you believe I started off with the intention of not spanking? When my son was born, I considered the matter at length and decided to avoid spanking him if at all possible.

By the time he was 3 I'd come to the conclusion that I might have been in error, as he was a holy terror and no other punishment seemed to make any impression on him. I started spanking him, and very soon I got dramatic results. Not instantly; he was tough and strong willed... but within a few months he began to savvy that bad behavior had bad consequences he preferred to avoid. He recognized that there were limits on how far he could go, and recognizing those limits changed his whole attitude.... frankly not only did he become more manageable, he also went from angry brat to happy-boy within a couple years. By 3rd grade he was a model student, and today he is a very sensible young man who doesn't have to be told that there are consequences to every choice: he sees that for himself.


Screw Dr. Spock, it worked for us. :)

Oh the horror! :2razz:
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

No problem with spanking at all. Never had to spank my daughter though. Now I and my brothers were a different story. 3 boys close in age and well, it was hairy at times, lol. Switches, belts and the bane of children everywhere the good old Hot Wheel track. We needed it though, we did not really respond to threats or silly punishments. I mean it depends on each child.

We really are not talking "spanking", the conversation is in the wake of the whipping Adrian Peterson put on his 4 year old with a switch. Or weapon if it were an adult.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

We really are not talking "spanking", the conversation is in the wake of the whipping Adrian Peterson put on his 4 year old with a switch. Or weapon if it were an adult.


then the OP should have been more specific than using a generic term like "force" in the poll.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

We really are not talking "spanking", the conversation is in the wake of the whipping Adrian Peterson put on his 4 year old with a switch. Or weapon if it were an adult.

OK. Did not sound like it though...

is it ever allowable for a Parent to punish their child with force?

Spanking or physical discipline is force.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

OK. Did not sound like it though...

is it ever allowable for a Parent to punish their child with force?

Spanking or physical discipline is force.
Its called common sense. Never use "force" while angry or frustrated. Never use a weapon, I don't care how accepted it was however long ago. Lots of things were accepted "way back" that are not acceptable in todays age.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

Its called common sense. Never use "force" while angry or frustrated. Never use a weapon, I don't care how accepted it was however long ago. Lots of things were accepted "way back" that are not acceptable in todays age.

So in other words your comment saying "We really are not talking "spanking"" was not true now was it?

As I stated it depends on the child and how force is applied. No one said anything about being angry etc. That is your own misconception of my statement. It also has nothing to do with "common sense" as your statement as I have shown was not true.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

So in other words your comment saying "We really are not talking "spanking"" was not true now was it?

As I stated it depends on the child and how force is applied. No one said anything about being angry etc. That is your own misconception of my statement. It also has nothing to do with "common sense" as your statement as I have shown was not true.
I made a statement, not a furtherance of your statement.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

I made a statement, not a furtherance of your statement.

You made a statement based on an untrue premise, which led to a flawed conclusion.

All I did was point out your claim of it being "common sense" was unfounded.
 
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