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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Violence teaches nothing. Throwing someone in a cage will teach them nothing and the same goes for beating them a bamboo shaft. They will learn nothing from it. You might make them obey to avoid the punishment, but you will get nothing else from it. It is without doubt a waste of time and human effort.
    I don't know about that. I am pretty sure that Michael Fay's caning in over in Singapore for vandalizing cars back in 1994 cured him of ever doing it again.
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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It's nonsense. You do you not correct behavior or teach people by throwing them in a cage. It might very well serve to protect society, but it solves nothing.
    I didn't claim incarceration teaches anyone anything. I merely pointed out that the purpose of the justice system is protection and redemption (see above) and caning addresses neither of those things.

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    All your philosophy has resulted in is a US prison population large enough to rival that of Stalin's USSR.
    There seems to be a couple aspects of this that you do not understand.

    1. The justice system. You think it's about extracting revenge on people - that's stupid. Learn what the justice system is about.

    2. Third world ****holes don't have high rates of incarceration because they have neither the resources for effective police nor the resources for a sufficient prison system. On top of that, cops are easily bribed in the developing world, thereby greatly lowering the instances of prosecution let alone incarceration.


    Now, regarding our prisons being overpopulated, I suggest legalizing pot (as a start). That would bring justice to society, caning people would not.

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Think about it.
    If you discipline your kids with spanking what you are doing is teaching them, by example, that physical violence is the best way to resolve interpersonal conflicts.
    Is that really what you want to impart on the development of your own kids?

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I didn't claim incarceration teaches anyone anything. I merely pointed out that the purpose of the justice system is protection and redemption (see above) and caning addresses neither of those things.
    How does cages promote redemption? The current system is likely to make criminals worse than better, so unless I'm missing something I don't think it makes sense to say it promotes redemption. Can it even be a purpose of it when prisons guards are the leading cause of certain kinds of violence in prison?

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    This is just a parenting failure. If your kids fear you will physically beat them, you are doing it wrong. Fear is not an appropriate tool for use child rearing. Punishments needs to happen to correct children, and sometimes and ass whoppin is needed. But if you are leaving marks, and damn sure if you are drawing blood, or if your kids fear being beaten by you, then you are failing and are a child abuser trying to justify the abuse. I do agree that our kids need to be well adjusted. They need to do the right thing because its the right thing to do, not be terrified of being beaten by their parents if they mess up.
    Were did I say anything about physical discipline at all? Notice I said the word do. That entails anything. Fear and intimidation ARE appropriate and very useful tools especially when children are younger and more prone to impulsiveness and irrationality. My family has a long illustrious family tradition of child rearing, we have it down to a scientific based art form.

    Example of use of intimidation for smaller more impulsive children. Child does something impulsive, say hit another child. Presumption they have done this before and have been told not to and disciplined previously. Technique. Stand tall with your well practiced stern glare, stride quickly with purposeful intent toward them and then lift by their shirt or belt (make sure said shirt or belt is securely on the child. It takes some practice to check quickly and still maintain intimidation) so they are at eye level from and say in a high volume stern strong voice "No". or "Enough" Then in a lower though still stern voice say "You do not hit people." Then carry said child to a corner and place them face toward said corner and say sternly and in a louder volume "Stay." Then in a lower stern voice "You will stay here, till I say otherwise. Understood." Always receive a verbal acknowledgement. Do not leave till you get one. You want to make sure they are not being in anyway defiant they will display this in body language and attitude and though refusal to comply with your demands. In this case we shall presume the child acknowledges they understand. You then stride away purposefully. And that point decide when the child may leave their "confinement".

    Notice the techniques we are using involve intimidation and fear. The child in this case has hit another child previously and were corrected at that time and has now hit another child again. They know not to do this. Therefore quick decisive action was required. The first intimidation technique is sudden purposeful reaction, in this case lifting the child to eye level and looking it in the eyes. We are using height speed size and perception to physically cause fear and to intimidate. The second intimidation technique involves use of voice volume and inflection and tone and timber to intimidate to startling and though fear. The objective is to obtain the immediate and undivided attention of the child for the purposes of discipline and corrective action by taking advantage of natural instinctual reactions of children toward perceived threats. We are using to our advantage natural instinct in our children to correct, reinforce, and discipline in them. Though intelligent observation of our children's natural reactions we can begin to understand and customize corrective measures to each child individually to maximize effectiveness of said measures.
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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    There seems to be a couple aspects of this that you do not understand.

    1. The justice system. You think it's about extracting revenge on people - that's stupid. Learn what the justice system is about.
    Sorry, but that's what we have. It doesn't appear to be going away any time soon either.

    What are you advocating instead? Euro-style "luxury resort" prisons?

    Do you have any idea how much that kind of system costs?

    2. Third world ****holes don't have high rates of incarceration because they have neither the resources for effective police nor the resources for a sufficient prison system. On top of that, cops are easily bribed in the developing world, thereby greatly lowering the instances of prosecution let alone incarceration.
    Singapore is not a "third world **** hole."

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    For several thousand years, they were. In many parts of the world (Singapore, for instance), they still are.

    Frankly, I'm not even necessarily opposed to the idea.

    A good caning with a bamboo shaft is a Hell of a lot more expedient than paying to lock someone in jail for five to ten years over trivial, non-violent, offenses.
    Again I ask, what century are we in?

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How does cages promote redemption?
    Incarceration alone does not serve redemption. Rehabilitation opportunities within prison serve redemption. Does rehabilitation work? Perhaps almost never; however, the opportunity nonetheless justifies the very existence of society and that's the purpose of the justice system.

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Again I ask, what century are we in?
    Does it matter?

    If it works, it works.

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