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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Or even a teen ager. Beating a 4 year old like Petersen did is out of bounds. Period.
    I'd never use a switch in the first place; use the same amount force that you do with a spanking and you will end up with cuts and bleeding with a switch.

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    If beating someone teaches them something (other than using violence to get what one wants), why aren't beatings part of the justice system?
    For several thousand years, they were. In many parts of the world (Singapore, for instance), they still are.

    Frankly, I'm not even necessarily opposed to the idea.

    A good caning with a bamboo shaft is a Hell of a lot more expedient than paying to lock someone in jail for five to ten years over trivial, non-violent, offenses.

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    For several thousand years, they were. In many parts of the world (Singapore, for instance), they still are.

    Frankly, I'm not even necessarily opposed to the idea.

    A good caning with a bamboo shaft is a Hell of a lot more expedient than paying to lock someone in jail for five to ten years over trivial, non-violent, offenses.
    Barbarism. Does holding such an antiquated position help you feel powerful?

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    For several thousand years, they were. In many parts of the world (Singapore, for instance), they still are.

    Frankly, I'm not even necessarily opposed to the idea.

    A good caning with a bamboo shaft is a Hell of a lot more expedient than paying to lock someone in jail for five to ten years over trivial, non-violent, offenses.
    Violence teaches nothing. Throwing someone in a cage will teach them nothing and the same goes for beating them a bamboo shaft. They will learn nothing from it. You might make them obey to avoid the punishment, but you will get nothing else from it. It is without doubt a waste of time and human effort.

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Violence teaches nothing. Throwing someone in a cage will teach them nothing and the same goes for beating them a bamboo shaft. They will learn nothing from it. You might make them obey to avoid the punishment, but you will get nothing else from it. It is without doubt a waste of time and human effort.
    Throwing someone in a cage is a matter of protecting society. And it's much more effective than caning someone.

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Barbarism.
    Barbarism is often effective. Bureaucratic half-measures are not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Violence teaches nothing.
    Singapore's exceptionally low crime rate in comparison to the Western World would seem to indicate otherwise.

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Throwing someone in a cage is a matter of protecting society. And it's much more effective than caning someone.
    It's nonsense. You do you not correct behavior or teach people by throwing them in a cage. It might very well serve to protect society, but it solves nothing.

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Singapore's exceptionally low crime rate in comparison to the Western World would seem to indicate otherwise.
    That's a bit of a red herring.

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Barbarism is often effective.
    No, it's not. Caning someone in no way protects society, imprisoning someone does.

    I think your fundamental disconnect is viewing the justice system as a punishment system as opposed to a public safety and redemption system. I'll try to explain:

    Punishment does not justify society. No one agrees to the social contract on the basis of "well, do you punish people?" That would be stupid. People agree to the social contract because society protects (through incarceration) and provides opportunity for redemption (through rehabilitation). These things -protection and redemption- justify society itself, these things make being part of society worthwhile. Punishment does not make being part of society worthwhile.

    One must understand that the justice system is in place to justify society itself, and not to provide justice to, for or of an individual.


    Singapore's exceptionally low crime rate in comparison to the Western World would seem to indicate otherwise.
    Singapore also lacks freedom of speech. It's virtually a police state. Is that what you advocate?

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No, it's not. Caning someone in no way protects society, imprisoning someone does.
    Again, Singapore's low crime rate would seem to indicate otherwise.

    All your philosophy has resulted in is a US prison population large enough to rival that of Stalin's USSR.

    Singapore also lacks freedom of speech. It's virtually a police state. Is that what you advocate?
    If it works.

    I might prefer Liberal Democracy, but I am hardly married to the idea.

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