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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I see the difference, and I reject both. The only reason anyone has to accept low-levels of violence against children is to excuse their own actions.

    Spanking children teaches them one thing - violence is a way to get what one wants. Teaching children that, in itself, is abuse.
    According to therapists it can cause people to lose a sense of themselves and never learn to follow their own will. I think people should be taught to be independent thinkers, not obedient drones.

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Parental duty to beat your kids? Jesus what century did I wake up in?
    Buddy I am old school like, old country old school, my family has raised generations of successful well adjusted children into successful well adjusted adults who continue our traditions. Its something we take exceptionally seriously. While I would not do what Mr. Peterson has done in correcting his child, it is not my place to interfere. He doing his parental duty to discipline his children. IMO its too bad many parents refuse to discipline their children.
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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Got some light hits with a hair brush and belt as a kid---but no big welts from it.

    As I am not a Neo-Communist Liberal, I see children as part of a family unit, and not as a part of a Big Brother cult. So I say a kid that really derserved it getting a few welts from a switch as nothing major.

    What is worse are all the sperm fathers in the NBA and NFL who aren't any real part of their children's lives. Fatherless kids in the urban ghettos joining gangs an even far worse problem.
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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Then how about more hippy nonsense. Kids should be taught to think for themselves and taught to follow rules due to reason, not because they don't want to be punished. The parenting techniques talked about in this thread only convey to children that they are to do what they are told and not ask any questions about it or to think for themselves. I frankly disagree with that mindset strongly.
    Keep in mind that we're talking about children 5 years and younger in this, these are not adults, hell not even really kids yet. Some don't understand these things, and will only respond to force. I wish all kids were perfect and it wasn't necessary, but sometimes it is. I think a lot of the reason that kids are growing up as soft as they are today, and we are seeing the spike in depression and suicides, is the lack of structure that we have with kids. We treat them as adults, when they aren't ready. Push a bird out to early, and guess what happens?

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester View Post
    Pretty much my thoughts. It's nonverbal communication to show displeasure with one's offspring, not to instill fear or pain.
    The most devastating punishment I ever gave to my oldest (10, at the time) was right after he lost his temper and went after a cousin with a hammer. I gave him the long stare and said "I am disappointed in you".

    He fell apart instantly with the crying and apologizing.

    I never had to touch him. The 'dad voice, the look, and those words took him apart.

    I built him back up later by giving him special chores to do for his cousin and his aunt. He actually did a very good job as he wanted to redeem himself. Later I told him that I was proud of him for realizing his mistake, doing a good job with the make-up chores, and when I said the words "you aren't in trouble anymore" he started crying in relief.

    IMO if you have to strike a child for anything other than legit self-defense (I've experienced some violent little children let me tell you what I have stories) or just to get their attention, you've already lost the situation.

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Its something we take exceptionally seriously.
    Oh, please! Everyone takes such things seriously. That's not an excuse to abuse children.

    Your BS rhetoric is nothing more than:

    I'm a good parent! I support beating children!
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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    According to therapists it can cause people to lose a sense of themselves and never learn to follow their own will. I think people should be taught to be independent thinkers, not obedient drones.
    You know, if I was a more cynical person, I would find it interesting that the moment we started listening to therapist on how to raise children, mental health has become a serious issue for children. Conspiracy?

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Keep in mind that we're talking about children 5 years and younger in this, these are not adults, hell not even really kids yet. Some don't understand these things, and will only respond to force.
    My parents never used force. I have never used force. It's not necessary to use force. It's not necessarily bad to spank..and that might be a good option in many cases...but force is not necessary..there are many other punishment options.
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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    You realize that you don't own your children.
    I think of small children like pets, because if you stop and think about it that really is the level they're on.

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    Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The most devastating punishment I ever gave to my oldest (10, at the time) was right after he lost his temper and went after a cousin with a hammer. I gave him the long stare and said "I am disappointed in you".

    He fell apart instantly with the crying and apologizing.

    I never had to touch him. The 'dad voice, the look, and those words took him apart.

    I built him back up later by giving him special chores to do for his cousin and his aunt. He actually did a very good job as he wanted to redeem himself. Later I told him that I was proud of him for realizing his mistake, doing a good job with the make-up chores, and when I said the words "you aren't in trouble anymore" he started crying in relief.

    IMO if you have to strike a child for anything other than legit self-defense (I've experienced some violent little children let me tell you what I have stories) or just to get their attention, you've already lost the situation.
    It also varies from parent to parent just how effective that punishment is. Father figures a lot of time have far more latitude to make the "I'm disappointed" argument. Mothers often don't have that sort of relationship with their kids in my experience.

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